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[PRobb]

Taproot wrote on Thu, 01 March 2007 14:42

Totally agreed. Bin Laden has been found, let go, found again and let go (i.e.- George Sr., Clinton) many times. He could be found now if our government would pull their heads out there asses stop fighting a "politically correct war".

We need to stop fighting the wrong war (Iraq) and start devoting our energy and resources to the right war (Afghanistan). Al Qaeda and the Taliban (you know, the guys who actually attacked us) are getting stronger every day.

And please remember that when Clinton tried to go after Bin Laden, the right wing was furious at him and accused him of trying to distract the country from really serious issues- like Monica.

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We need to offend people! We need profiling! We need any and everything else that the growing number of pussies in this nation gets offended by. At that point maybe we'll get somewhere.

Do you really think making more enemies is the answer?

[Taproot]

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Do you really think making more enemies is the answer?

No. I think recognizing, pinpointing and KILLING more enemies is the answer.

[PRobb]

Taproot wrote on Thu, 01 March 2007 17:43

Quote: Do you really think making more enemies is the answer? No. I think recognizing, pinpointing and KILLING more enemies is the answer.

OK, but what if for every terrorist we actually kill, we create ten new ones? Our Iraq disaster has killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians and destabilized and radicalized an entire nation. Iraq was not a hotbed of terrorism before we got there. And that instability and radicalization is spreading across the region.

[Taproot]

[quote title=PRobb wrote on Thu, 01 March 2007 15:59]

Taproot wrote on Thu, 01 March 2007 17:43

Quote: Do you really think making more enemies is the answer? No. I think recognizing, pinpointing and KILLING more enemies is the answer.

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OK, but what if for every terrorist we actually kill, we create ten new ones?

Who cares? If i killed one of your friends, it's probably gonna piss off the rest of your friends.

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Our Iraq disaster

Let me get this clear. I do not agree with the Iraq conflict.

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Our Iraq disaster has killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians and destabilized and radicalized an entire nation.

The insurgents are coming mostly from afar. The destabilization is the result of an open court for Sunni/Shia pissing contests. Or as some folks call it, Civil War, which has been happening off and on for thousands of years. A cage match would be nice.

[Tidewater]

PRobb wrote on Thu, 01 March 2007 17:59

OK, but what if for every terrorist we actually kill, we create ten new ones?

Uhh.. what we lose in the margins, we'll make up in volume.

If I had to kill everyone else to protect myself, I'd try.


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[Jon Hodgson]

Tidewater wrote on Fri, 02 March 2007 05:58

PRobb wrote on Thu, 01 March 2007 17:59 OK, but what if for every terrorist we actually kill, we create ten new ones? Uhh.. what we lose in the margins, we'll make up in volume. If I had to kill everyone else to protect myself, I'd try. M

And with that sort of policy sooner or later you'll kill one more and one of the ten new ones created won't be in the middle east, he'll be in the US, possibly next door to you, he might not even have been a muslim before you started, he might not even have needed to convert before he found your policy too abhorrent to stand and flips out, deciding that all Americans are complicit in the actions of their government.

Then he fills a couple of barrels with fertilizer and jet fuel (both readily available), parks his van outside your office, and....


Killing or capturing the perpetrators won't do you any lasting good until you deal with the root problem, and the root problem is that the perception of the US (and to a lesser degree other non muslim countries) amongst a huge percentage of muslims is that they are a threat and an aggressor. This is largely (but not solely) due to US foreign policy.

This results in an endless supply of potential terrorists who just need a bit of warming up by imams teaching an aggressive interpretation of Islam (whether to intentionally manipulate for political reasons or because they truly believe themselves) and the right trigger... like one more muslim being martyred by the US (and that's how they'll see it, not killed, but martyred, forever in paradise with virgins on top).

Nobody is saying the US should appease terrorists, or that it should give up and lie down. What we are saying is that when it responds aggresively such a response should be properly targeted (Iraq most certainly wasn't), and that you as a country should look at your own actions and see what you could improve... not just because it makes you safer, but because you shouldn't need to be afraid to want to act better towards your fellow man.

[Tidewater]

The root problem is not the perception of the US. The root of the problem is coexistance. I paid good money to buy all the rat poison I'd ever need, now we need someone who has the will to use it.

See, I do it their way. I leave all options open, but I am more apt to give a single brilliant response, than to talk for years about it.

When I say these things, I want you to notice the nicety, and underlying messages. I take lessons from Prof. Abedimenininijihad.

You are a tool, and so am I. Stop trying to stop me.


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I guess we should quit, why we are still a head..

[PRobb]

Tidewater wrote on Fri, 02 March 2007 00:58

PRobb wrote on Thu, 01 March 2007 17:59 OK, but what if for every terrorist we actually kill, we create ten new ones? Uhh.. what we lose in the margins, we'll make up in volume. If I had to kill everyone else to protect myself, I'd try. M

Not sure how this volume thing works. If we kill one we create ten. If we kill a hundred we create a thousand. If we kill tens of thousands we radicalize hundreds of thousands. If we nuke the whole region to dust, we irradiate the oil while creating a world full of enemies. When does the volume discount kick in?

[Tidewater]

Look, Ford can lose $2000.00 per car, and still be worth buying for like $2B...

It's the new math. It works for business!

Buy on credit, and sell?



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