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Maybe We Deserve to Be Ripped Off By Bush's Billionaires
« on: February 20, 2007, 03:32:16 PM »

Maybe We Deserve to Be Ripped Off By Bush's Billionaires
By Matt Taibbi, RollingStone.com. Posted February 20, 2007.

While America obsessed about Brittany's shaved head, Bush offered a budget that offers $32.7 billion in tax cuts to the Wal-Mart family alone, while cutting $28 billion from Medicaid.


"Now, after she shaved her head in a bizarre episode that culminates a months-long saga of controversial behavior, it's the question being asked by her fans, her foes and the general public: What was she thinking?"-- Bald and Broken: Inside Britney's Shaved Head, Sheila Marikar, ABC.com, Feb. 19
What was she thinking? How about nothing? How about who gives a shit? How's that for an answer, Sheila Marikar of ABC news, you fucking idiot?

I'm not one of those curmudgeons who freaks out every time that Bradgelina moves the war off the front page of the Post, or Katie Couric decides to usher in a whole new era of network news with photos of the imbecile demon-spawn of Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes. I understand that we live in a demand-based economy and that there is far more demand for brainless celebrity bullshit than there is, say, for the fine print of the Health and Human Services budget.

But that was before this week. I awoke this morning in New York City to find Britney Spears plastered all over the cover of two gigantic daily newspapers, simply because she cut her hair off over the weekend. To me, this crosses a line. My definition of a news story involves something happening. If nothing happens, then you can't have "news," because nothing has changed since the day before. Britney Spears was an idiot last Thursday, an idiot on Friday, and an idiot on both Saturday and Sunday. She was, shockingly, also an idiot on Monday. It will be news when she stops being an idiot, and we'll know when that happens, because she'll have shot herself for the good of the planet. Britney Spears cutting her hair off is the least-worthy front page news story in the history of humanity.

Apparently, from now on, every time a jackass sticks a pencil in his own eye, we'll have to wait an extra ten minutes to hear what happened on the battlefield or in Congress or any other place that actually matters.

On the same day that Britney was shaving her head, a guy I know who works in the office of Senator Bernie Sanders sent me an email. He was trying very hard to get news organizations interested in some research his office had done about George Bush's proposed 2008 budget, which was unveiled two weeks ago and received relatively little press, mainly because of the controversy over the Iraq war resolution. All the same, the Bush budget is an amazing document. It would be hard to imagine a document that more clearly articulates the priorities of our current political elite.

Not only does it make many of Bush's tax cuts permanent, but it envisions a complete repeal of the Estate Tax, which mainly affects only those who are in the top two-tenths of the top one percent of the richest people in this country. The proposed savings from the cuts over the next decade are about $442 billion, or just slightly less than the amount of the annual defense budget (minus Iraq war expenses). But what's interesting about these cuts are how Bush plans to pay for them.

Sanders's office came up with some interesting numbers here. If the Estate Tax were to be repealed completely, the estimated savings to just one family -- the Walton family, the heirs to the Wal-Mart fortune -- would be about $32.7 billion dollars over the next ten years.

The proposed reductions to Medicaid over the same time frame? $28 billion.

Or how about this: if the Estate Tax goes, the heirs to the Mars candy corporation -- some of the world's evilest scumbags, incidentally, routinely ripped by human rights organizations for trafficking in child labor to work cocoa farms in places like Cote D'Ivoire -- if the estate tax goes, those assholes will receive about $11.7 billion in tax breaks. That's more than three times the amount Bush wants to cut from the VA budget ($3.4 billion) over the same time period.

Some other notable estimate estate tax breaks, versus corresponding cuts:

Cox family (Cox cable TV) receives $9.7 billion tax break while education would get $1.5 billion in cuts

Nordstrom family (Nordstrom dept. stores) receives $826.5 million tax break while Community Service Block Grants would be eliminated, a $630 million cut

Ernest Gallo family (shitty wines) receives a $468.4 million cut while LIHEAP (heating oil to poor) would get a $420 million cut
And so on and so on. Sanders additionally pointed out that the family of former Exxon/Mobil CEO Lee Raymond, who received a $400 million retirement package, would receive about $164 million in tax breaks.

Compare that to the Commodity Supplemental Food Program, which Bush proposes be completely eliminated, at a savings of $108 million over ten years. The program sent one bag of groceries per month to 480,000 seniors, mothers and newborn children.

Somehow, to me, that's the worst one on the list. Here you have the former CEO of a company that scored record profits even as it gouged consumers, with gas prices rising more than 70 percent since January of 2001. There is a direct correlation between the avarice of oil company executives and the increased demand for federal aid for heating oil programs like LIHEAP, and yet the federal government wants to reward these same executives for raising prices on the backs of consumers.

Even if you're a traditional, Barry Goldwater conservative, the kinds of budgets that Bush has sent to the hill not only this year but this whole century are the worst-case scenario; they increase spending generally while cutting taxes and social programming. They commit taxpayers to giant subsidies of already Croseus-rich energy corporations, pharmaceutical companies and defense manufacturers while simultaneously cutting taxes on those who most directly benefit from those subsidies. Thus you're not cutting spending -- you're just cutting spending on people who actually need the money. (According to the Washington Times, which in a supremely ironic twist of fate did one of the better analyses of the budget, spending will be 1.6 percent of GDP higher in the 2008 budget than in was in 2000, while revenues will be 2.6 percent of GDP lower). This is something different from traditional conservatism and something different from big-government liberalism; this is a new kind of politics that transforms the state into a huge, ever-expanding instrument for converting private savings into corporate profit.

That's not only bad government, it's bad capitalism. It makes legalized bribery and political connections more important factors than performance and competition in the corporate marketplace. Beyond that, it's just plain fucking offensive to ordinary people. It's one thing to complain about paying taxes when those taxes are buying a bag of groceries once a month for some struggling single mom in eastern Kentucky. But when your taxes are buying a yacht for some asshole who hires African eight year-olds to pick cocoa beans for two cents an hour ... I sure don't remember reading an excuse for that anywhere in the Federalist Papers.

I also don't remember reading much about this year's budget. It was a story for about half a minute when it came out two weeks ago. It barely made TV newscasts, and even when it did, only the broad strokes made it on air. There was some fuss about the Alternative Minimum Tax and a mild uproar over the fact that the 2008 budget failed to account for estimates of the costs for wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. But overall, the budget was a non-starter as a news story. As it does every year, it takes a back seat to hot-button issues like gay marriage, the latest election scandal, etc. Already, the 2008 election presidential campaign has gotten far more ink than the 2008 budget. As entertainment, bullshit politics always triumphs over real politics.

Here's the thing about the system of news coverage we have today. If the Walton family, or Lee Raymond, or the heirs to the Mars fortune actually needed the news media to work better than it does now, believe me, it would work better. But they have no such need, because the system is working just fine for them as is. The people it's failing are the rest of us, and most of the rest of us, apparently, would rather sniff Anna Nicole Smith's corpse or watch Britney Spears hump a fire hydrant than find out what our tax dollars are actually paying for.

Shit, when you think about it that way, why not steal from us? People that dumb don't deserve to have money.
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Re: Maybe We Deserve to Be Ripped Off By Bush's Billionaires
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2007, 03:40:34 PM »

Only read the first sentence...

Sounds like bullshit to me.

Social program being cut?

Hmmm...

Medicaid...

Didn't they just give motherfukkers the biggest mother load of hand outs in the history of our country?

I am not very informed on this stuff but it's fun riding on the propaganda twister with you.


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Re: Maybe We Deserve to Be Ripped Off By Bush's Billionaires
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2007, 03:45:04 PM »

No need to read the articles anymore!

The Queen has spoken!

Laughing

uhoh..  Hey, I can dish it out, I can't take it.. be gentle with me, heh


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Re: Maybe We Deserve to Be Ripped Off By Bush's Billionaires
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2007, 03:50:01 PM »

Did you say something?

I only read the first sentence where you said you only read the first sentence.


here's the crux of it:
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envisions a complete repeal of the Estate Tax, which mainly affects only those who are in the top two-tenths of the top one percent of the richest people in this country. The proposed savings from the cuts over the next decade are about $442 billion, or just slightly less than the amount of the annual defense budget (minus Iraq war expenses). But what's interesting about these cuts are how Bush plans to pay for them.

Sanders's office came up with some interesting numbers here. If the Estate Tax were to be repealed completely, the estimated savings to just one family -- the Walton family, the heirs to the Wal-Mart fortune -- would be about $32.7 billion dollars over the next ten years.

The proposed reductions to Medicaid over the same time frame? $28 billion.



so it's NECESSARY to cut Medicare because of all those horrible leeches on society, but it's also NECESSARY to give all the money 'saved' by the government to ONE FAMILY... a family who (by utter coincidence I am sure) is spending a fortune on ads and lobbying in favour of this change in the tax law.



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Re: Maybe We Deserve to Be Ripped Off By Bush's Billionaires
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2007, 03:56:25 PM »

Estate tax is where I would consider "getting pro-active" if the rich are able to eliminate that.

I have never held a picket sign in my life, but estate tax could get me to do so.  

Estate tax 101: your father earned the money (or inherited it more likely) and he paid his tax for his share of using the things to which he was entitled, namely, roads, parks, fire and police, national security, etc.

Now junior dumbfuck wants to come along and tell me the "death tax" unfairly penalizes his family?

Where is his accountability for his use of all the services that he  deserves in the first place, but has never paid for?  Even 2 million is reprehensible.  Pay tax on what you earn.  

When daddy dies, the hand-off is the only time these greasy fry eating leeches will earn a penny.  They have to be taxed then, or their silver-spooned cushy ride is even more despicable.
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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2007, 04:04:14 PM »

Uhhhh hello?

The person earns their whole life, and they die... and you have some right to their property?

Describe that in a way that doesn't sound like RICO, simple theft, or unrepresented taxation.

I don't plan n leaving anything to you all. Take nothing but pictures, leave nothing but footprints.


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Re: Maybe We Deserve to Be Ripped Off By Bush's Billionaires
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2007, 04:05:03 PM »

Miles, it's not their property, it WAS daddy's.
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Re: Maybe We Deserve to Be Ripped Off By Bush's Billionaires
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2007, 04:09:12 PM »

Funny, a dear friend of mine is now liquidating his family business, one which has served our community for over 30 years and his brothers all have busted their asses keeping afloat amongst the big-box national crap peddlers guild.

Why are they liquidating?

Mainly because the brothers cannot afford to pay for and be taxed on the family business. This is one of those cases where "the rich fucks" are very near and dear to me and the estate tax would gut their lower upper middle class family completely.

So in a pre-emptive strike, they are selling off, dad will most likely live out his last days moderately comfortable (if nothing catastrophic happens) and the kids will, after 20 years+ hard work of thier own be able to buy a used car.

Fuck the estate tax and fuck the people who think being taxed twice on the same money is fair.

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Re: Maybe We Deserve to Be Ripped Off By Bush's Billionaires
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2007, 04:09:44 PM »

No. Like my family has a business.

What, what happens if my mom, and dad die in the same accident? They have separate, and joint.

My brother would be fucked, and the government would take more than half of our joint shit... why? Because my folks died in an accident.

350 people, poof... no jobs. Game over.

Since 1942.

If you ever have any hopes of making your own way, and acheiving anything beyond crap, you have to despise someone talking your shit by force.

The money has already been taxed, and taxed, and taxed.

I am not lucky for my government's existance.


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Re: Maybe We Deserve to Be Ripped Off By Bush's Billionaires
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2007, 04:29:17 PM »

Die BREMSSPUR wrote on Tue, 20 February 2007 15:40

Only read the first sentence...

Sounds like bullshit to me.

Social program being cut?

Hmmm...

Medicaid...

Didn't they just give motherfukkers the biggest mother load of hand outs in the history of our country?
I am not very informed on this stuff but it's fun riding on the propaganda twister with you.


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tik

Obviously. If you'd read the article, you'd find that "the biggest mother load of hand outs in the history of our country" is in fact going to the richest of the rich. As always, Republican policy involves a careful balancing of the needs of the haves and the have mores.
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Re: Maybe We Deserve to Be Ripped Off By Bush's Billionaires
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2007, 04:54:02 PM »

so youre saying tha Walmart pays more than 32.7 billion dollars  in taxes?
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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2007, 05:00:49 PM »

Taxed twice on the same money...I love that one.  Well my boss's company got taxed on the money they paid me, so why should I pay tax on that money twice?

Smart companies incorporate, which immunizes then from estate tax.  Then the tax would only be due if the corporation was liquidated, i.e., sold, and Junior could continue to take his nepotistic (made up, yes I konw) salary, and your poor oligarchic friends would not have to sell their dachas.
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Re: Maybe We Deserve to Be Ripped Off By Bush's Billionaires
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2007, 05:02:20 PM »

PRobb wrote on Tue, 20 February 2007 16:29

Republican policy involves a careful balancing of the needs of the haves and the have mores.


LOL
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Re: Maybe We Deserve to Be Ripped Off By Bush's Billionaires
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2007, 05:13:55 PM »

danickstr wrote on Tue, 20 February 2007 17:00

Taxed twice on the same money...I love that one.  Well my boss's company got taxed on the money they paid me, so why should I pay tax on that money twice?

Smart companies incorporate, which immunizes then from estate tax.  Then the tax would only be due if the corporation was liquidated, i.e., sold, and Junior could continue to take his nepotistic (made up, yes I konw) salary, and your poor oligarchic friends would not have to sell their dachas.


The only response I have for you is that I'm sorry for your loss (cognitive deficiency).

Can we discuss the finer points of how all of this relates to the S corp and C corp status? Or the fact that there are hard working, good for our economy family businesses being stolen by our government.

I still can't beleive I live in a country where revolutionaries died to free itself from a Monarchy hell bent on taxing the people for its own agenda and people are more than happy to hand over everything they've ever earned.

Charity begins at home.

And guess what?

Charity from the home is 1000% more efficient.







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Re: Maybe We Deserve to Be Ripped Off By Bush's Billionaires
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2007, 05:17:44 PM »

You really did not back up your claim regarding my cognitive shortcomings with any evidence.  Is it that you simply lack it?

I really am not an expert on corporation types, I only point out that big fat family pies should use tax shelters that protect them until they sell them off, at which time they gotta pay their share.
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