Topic: The Fake Classical Pianist (Read 3701 times)

wwittman · « **on:** February 17, 2007, 11:26:28 PM »

for the weird story of the week....anyone see this from Gramphone?

Masterpieces Or Fakes? The Joyce Hatto Scandal February 15 2007

It was already one of the strangest stories the classical music world had witnessed. But the discovery of the late English pianist Joyce Hatto as the greatest instrumentalist almost nobody had heard of, appears to have taken a bizarre, even potentially sinister turn.

It was around a year ago that Gramophone

Barry Hufker · « **Reply #1 on:** February 18, 2007, 12:45:58 AM »

There's nothing like a scandal and a mystery -- especially in the world of classical music!

What I want to know is, how did the artist (Bronfman for instance) compare to himself as Hatto? In other words, did critics like one better than the other -- Bronfman as Bronfman and Hatto as Bronfman. That would be most telling if the reviews were very different.

Barry

Larrchild · « **Reply #2 on:** February 18, 2007, 01:39:41 AM »

I guess if you are gonna make shit up, go for Baroque.

rollmottle · « **Reply #3 on:** February 18, 2007, 02:48:32 AM »

Larrchild wrote on Sat, 17 February 2007 22:39

I guess if you are gonna make shit up, go for Baroque.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e338/determinedafterstorm/rimshotsmiley.gif

malice · « **Reply #4 on:** February 18, 2007, 04:22:30 AM »

I knew it, those classical cats are hooligans

malice

maxdimario · « **Reply #5 on:** February 18, 2007, 06:38:18 AM »

I had an idea about a yamaha disklavier grand...

since classical pianists nowadays are judged more on speed and clarity than anything else, wouldn't it be great to record an album of classical virtuoso music with a disklavier and have some pretty girl front it?
Laughing

Barry Hufker · « **Reply #6 on:** February 18, 2007, 10:38:18 AM »

The late composer/comedian/author Steve Allen used to get decent reviews, but never great ones regarding his playing.

As an experiment, he created the character of an elderly black gentleman who was a "recent discovery". This man played the piano and was promoted as "a real find". To complete the project, Steve put a photo of a suitable looking black guy on the cover and sent the record out to the critics. Sure enough, they ate it up and couldn't say enough good things. Of course their embarrassment was great when they found out later it was Steve.

Barry

Tidewater · « **Reply #7 on:** February 18, 2007, 10:46:43 AM »

Larrchild wrote on Sun, 18 February 2007 01:39

I guess if you are gonna make shit up, go for Baroque.

Mo, I am coning down thete to shuiw you my baroque ljeyboard...

Jeah..

N

Tidewater · « **Reply #8 on:** February 18, 2007, 10:48:46 AM »

Oh.

Ba lame it on the rain.. that was..

Socrates · « **Reply #9 on:** February 20, 2007, 01:52:58 PM »

Barry Hufker wrote on Sun, 18 February 2007 10:38

The late composer/comedian/author Steve Allen used to get decent reviews, but never great ones regarding his playing.

As an experiment, he created the character of an elderly black gentleman who was a "recent discovery". This man played the piano and was promoted as "a real find". To complete the project, Steve put a photo of a suitable looking black guy on the cover and sent the record out to the critics. Sure enough, they ate it up and couldn't say enough good things. Of course their embarrassment was great when they found out later it was Steve.

Barry

May I speculate that Rolling Stone magazine was leading the charge?

Well, they're getting ready to make a movie about milli vanilli...

Another big one was that gal from Flashdance not doing her own dancing. Then there is the Hollywood use of "butt doubles" for sex scenes.

jimmyjazz · « **Reply #10 on:** February 20, 2007, 02:44:10 PM »

That story is almost impossible to believe. Did no reviewer notice the sonic similarities to existing recordings? Those must have been some mighty obscure records they copied! Did nobody else notice the inconsistent artist/composition information imbedded into the recording? Did only one person notice that a piece had been stretched 15 percent?

Excuse me . . . 15 PERCENT ???

Crimony! That's a giant leap from "alternate tuning"!!!

Version · « **Reply #11 on:** February 20, 2007, 05:54:50 PM »

Quote:

The pair then checked a track from a Hatto disc of music by Godowsky, and found that it sounded strange, as if the sound had been tampered with.

"By God, they must have employed computers for their dasterdly deeds!" In the movie it's going to be a big scope with waveforms going everywhere on it.

I'm gonna re-release Nevermind under my bands name. But first I'm gonna timestretch it out about 12%. Should give me a few years of cash before the scientitions catch up with me.

oh yeah, the baroque joke was funny.

Jessica A. Engle · « **Reply #12 on:** February 20, 2007, 08:23:16 PM »

RE: Masterpieces Or Fakes? The Joyce Hatto Scandal February 15 2007

"To love Hatto recordings was to be in the know, a true piano aficionado who didn

Larrchild · « **Reply #13 on:** February 21, 2007, 04:14:18 AM »

Wait til the Milli Galilei scandal hits.

Barry Hufker · « **Reply #14 on:** February 27, 2007, 06:46:51 PM »

More evidence for this story:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7623466

Barry

Tidewater · « **Reply #15 on:** March 02, 2007, 01:29:49 AM »

Larrchild wrote on Wed, 21 February 2007 04:14

Wait til the Milli Galilei scandal hits.

Thank God I ended up back here.. lmao.

M

Vertigo · « **Reply #16 on:** June 19, 2007, 02:44:36 PM »

Here's a new article from Newsweek:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19265834/site/newsweek/page/2/

-Lance

Barry Hufker · « **Reply #17 on:** June 19, 2007, 04:20:52 PM »

Extremely interesting. Tho' he's not gotten away with the deception, oddly he may pay no penalty. Is that the perfect crime?

Barry

Bill Mueller · « **Reply #18 on:** June 19, 2007, 07:32:03 PM »

Jessica A. Engle wrote on Tue, 20 February 2007 20:23

When I was a musician. Jessica

Jessica,

This statement bothers me no end.

NO MATTER WHATEVER HAPPENS, NEVER STOP BEING A MUSICIAN YOUNG LADY!

When you are fifty, you will thank me for that tongue lashing.

Best Regards,

Bill

Jessica A. Engle · « **Reply #19 on:** June 19, 2007, 10:49:02 PM »

Bill Mueller wrote on Tue, 19 June 2007 18:32

Jessica A. Engle wrote on Tue, 20 February 2007 20:23

When I was a musician. Jessica

Jessica,

This statement bothers me no end.

NO MATTER WHATEVER HAPPENS, NEVER STOP BEING A MUSICIAN YOUNG LADY!

When you are fifty, you will thank me for that tongue lashing.

Best Regards,

Bill

Hmmmm.

You don't know it, but you've hit the nail right on the head about me.

Perhaps I should have said "When I was a violinist"....

... my former life.

The tricky thing is, when you go to music school... everyone wants you to learn to be technical and precise, but noone wants you to be passionate about your music. I think most people are, but then the stuffed musical shirts beat it out of you with scalebooks and the proverbial measuring stick.

I'm flattered that you would re-read what I wrote, and I appreciate what you're trying to say. I'll always be a musician in my heart, but performing for a living is just too hard. Maybe that's why I like being on the other side of the glass.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I am going to go home and dust off the ol' guitar....

Thanks Bill.

Jessica

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