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el duderino

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Re: 13 songs....4 days
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2007, 11:13:40 am »

i found this is the upside of using a console. I can work quicker on it and there's no instant recall to tweak forever and ever. I've been getting way too many people that want this or that up a hair, like .5db, and then change their mind two days later. if they know its not going to be the same exact mix recalled and it will take more time they usually realize nothing really needs to be done.

there's a great quote from wittman about what the mix needs and people second guessing themselves. gotta find that one.
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Iain Graham

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Re: 13 songs....4 days
« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2007, 11:42:16 am »

I've always wondered whether .5dB changes really make that much difference after the mix has been mastered? Obviously several will, but 1 or 2 instruments?

So many people ask for such minor changes, and i'm always tempted to say no, it won't make a difference after mastering.
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Re: 13 songs....4 days
« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2007, 07:02:14 pm »

Iain, you would be shocked then at some of the recall requests we get from the Artists.

One of them was: one syllable of one word of one vocal on one chorus had to be brought up .25...

The song would not be approved until that happened.

Then the song proceeded to sell about 12 million copies.

Hard to argue with them.
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Re: 13 songs....4 days
« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2007, 08:01:42 pm »

I've had that kind of request. Albeit without anything close to that kind of sales figure afterwards.

It's always a passing thought as I've been making these changes, but one that occurs to me very often.

I've never really tried testing the theory though.

And just to contradict myself, there are times when I'm surprsied how minute the changes can be to bring something out the mix, or to not have something too loud.

A lot of the changes I have to make or the small, usually automation type things you do as you get close to finishing the mix.

The things that get done once a song is mostly mixed, and you just keep listening to it to finish it off. Minor volume changes to suit the part and the arrangement, etc.

I just wish I could do that when mixing the track rather than having to come back and spend a day making minor changes to every song a couple of weeks later.
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Re: 13 songs....4 days
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2007, 11:15:40 pm »

compasspnt wrote on Fri, 02 February 2007 18:02

Iain, you would be shocked then at some of the recall requests we get from the Artists.

One of them was: one syllable of one word of one vocal on one chorus had to be brought up .25...

The song would not be approved until that happened.

Then the song proceeded to sell about 12 million copies.

Hard to argue with them.



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

the implication here makes the statement even better.


good thing you made that change i just consulted my crystal ball and found that had you not have done it, the album would have only sold 9 million.......or was that the voices in my head.
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Re: 13 songs....4 days
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2007, 01:11:49 am »

A couple of days after this, but before release, I gently "challenged" the artist to listen to the latest two versions (BTW, there were MANY other recall changes before this one), and tell me which was which.

The artist refused to try.



There are several reason it's "Hard to Argue."
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Re: 13 songs....4 days
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2007, 10:36:19 am »

i've stopped trying.

very rarely does an artist or label want the aesthetic or feel of my mixes changed.  it's always tiny little details that only matter to them.  i couldn't care any less about that stuff.  i make all the changes and send them home smiling.

i imagine those beautiful beaches help you "unwind" more often then not.
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Re: 13 songs....4 days
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2007, 10:39:12 am »

...maybe, if there were ever time to go to one...
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Re: 13 songs....4 days
« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2007, 03:45:15 pm »

Iain Graham wrote on Thu, 01 February 2007 17:59

Even on records where there is a bit of time to spend on  the recording, people seem to think mixing will be an easy, quick process.

I've yet to figure out why that is.



because if it's well produced and arranged and recorded, it SHOULD be.


If I mix a whole album in 3 or 4 days, I make it clear that at that pace we make decisions and we're DONE.
no going back.

if you want to spend more time on things and agonise and nit-pick, then let's take the day a song to get things right.

if you want it spontaneous and rock and roll and like a mix performance, then gereat!
we're DONE.

no 'recalls'

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Re: 13 songs....4 days
« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2007, 06:52:30 pm »

I'd love that.

I like to think I've taken care of the well recorded.  Razz

Most of the projects I work on are self-produced/arranged.

Sometimes it works, sometimes it really doesn't.

Sometimes the artist just doesn't get it.

Projects with a producer are generally fine for that though.

I don't have the power to tell the client how we'll approach the mixing either. Yet.

It's the badly arranged and produced, tougher to mix projects that always seem to want it done quickly and then want to come back in and tweak.

Gets old quickly.
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Re: 13 songs....4 days
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2007, 09:55:46 pm »

compasspnt wrote on Sun, 04 February 2007 09:39

...maybe, if there were ever time to go to one...




allow me to re-phrase.

looking at the beach through your window, or while coming and going to/from the studio, must relieve some stress......

i only get the scenery of walking through my own house down to the basement.  then again, it's good for gas mileage on my car.
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Re: 13 songs....4 days
« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2007, 10:16:53 pm »

j.hall wrote on Mon, 05 February 2007 20:55

i only get the scenery of walking through my own house down to the basement.  then again, it's good for gas mileage on my car.

And the environment...
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