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Alécio Costa - Brazil

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Gear for mastering 5.1? full rack?
« on: January 21, 2007, 09:46:31 AM »

HI friends,
This will sound like a naive question but... Have a high end top list of gear for mastering 2.0/2.1 is pretty $$$, I find myself wondering which gear do you folks use for mastering 5.1 in the analog world.
Do you have lots of top compresssors, EQs (Crane, Manley, Pendulums, Sontecs, Maselecs, etc) or use digital tools like Waves 360/TC 6000 for similar stuff?
Thanks in advance for any info
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Re: Gear for mastering 5.1? full rack?
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2007, 01:28:39 PM »

TC6k is your best bet. I can only think of a few mastering houses that actually have 6 channels of analog processing - the cost is staggering. Combine that with the amount of surround work (not) happening and you see why the TC6k seems to be the box to beat...
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Re: Gear for mastering 5.1? full rack?
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2007, 01:53:05 PM »

bblackwood wrote on Sun, 21 January 2007 11:28

TC6k is your best bet. I can only think of a few mastering houses that actually have 6 channels of analog processing - the cost is staggering. Combine that with the amount of surround work (not) happening and you see why the TC6k seems to be the box to beat...



I agree, the tc6000 is a nice unit for surround mastering (but it runs out of steam pretty quickly if you want to use the Massenburg EQ); we also use the excellent Z-Systems surround EQ & Comp. On several occasions we've rented in additional Manley Massive-Passives & an SSL surround compressor (great piece!), and pooled all of our API 550ms. The thing about surround mastering using an analog signal path is you really need a surround transfer console. You can (sort of) get by without a console working in stereo but it gets too unwieldy and complicated in surround.
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Alécio Costa - Brazil

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Re: Gear for mastering 5.1? full rack?
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2007, 07:54:26 PM »

I am surprised there is not much surround jobs out there.
Good to know System 6000 has become a standard.

a)But are we considering audio and audio for video also? (cinema, dvd-video shows, dvd-audio/blue ray 5.1)

b)Is there anyone using that Waves PAckage, I guess it is 360+Masters Bundle.

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Alécio Costa Studio
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Re: Gear for mastering 5.1? full rack?
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2007, 12:48:51 AM »

Speaking of 5.1, I got a question for some of you audio for video/film experts.  I got a voicemail from a client who wants to know if I can do a 5.1 mix on a low budget movie.  That I can handle.  The client also ask for another terminology I'm not familiar with.  Without sounding downright ignorant, I would say it either sounded like "4MNE" or "Foreign MME/MNE" or "4ME" or something to that extent.  The voicemail wasn't very clear.  Now before I call the client back, I would like to know if this is something I can handle.  Is this a spearate audio stream in different foreign languages?  Or I'm I totally off the mark here?  Any help would be appreciated.  
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Re: Gear for mastering 5.1? full rack?
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2007, 02:04:09 AM »

People are still releasing music in 5.1 ?!?!?!?

The DVD-A/SACD bins seem to be getting smaller and smaller....

I'm "downgrading" my room to stereo.....

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Re: Gear for mastering 5.1? full rack?
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2007, 02:04:14 AM »

MT Groove wrote on Wed, 24 January 2007 00:48

Speaking of 5.1, I got a question for some of you audio for video/film experts.  I got a voicemail from a client who wants to know if I can do a 5.1 mix on a low budget movie.  That I can handle.  The client also ask for another terminology I'm not familiar with.  Without sounding downright ignorant, I would say it either sounded like "4MNE" or "Foreign MME/MNE" or "4ME" or something to that extent.  The voicemail wasn't very clear.  Now before I call the client back, I would like to know if this is something I can handle.  Is this a spearate audio stream in different foreign languages?  Or I'm I totally off the mark here?  Any help would be appreciated.  


They want an M & E mix, which is Music and effects, or sometimes referred to as music and elements. This is a no-dialog mix so that foreign language dubs can be made from it (you aren't expected to supply any of the foreign languages). You'll need a fully-filled soundtrack (cover everything with foley, add backgrounds, and separate out any important production sound effects to a PFX track that you can use in the M&E mix) so that when you mute the dialog stem you still have a soundtrack that has all the steps, movement, and atmospheres intact.

If you are just being contracted for the mix, and not the editing or foley recording, make sure that they give you a fully-filled foley track or you'll be screwed for the M&E. When doing the M&E, you start with just playing back the FX and music stems, and then add any necessary additional foley or effects that you may not have played, or played low during the main mix, to cover the loss of the production audio from the dialog stem. Also, make sure you get delivery specs because levels and standards are important for film, and it'll get bounced back to you if you mix it like a music project.
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Re: Gear for mastering 5.1? full rack?
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2007, 04:42:01 AM »

MT Groove wrote on Wed, 24 January 2007 06:48

Speaking of 5.1, I got a question for some of you audio for video/film experts.  I got a voicemail from a client who wants to know if I can do a 5.1 mix on a low budget movie.  That I can handle.  The client also ask for another terminology I'm not familiar with.  Without sounding downright ignorant, I would say it either sounded like "4MNE" or "Foreign MME/MNE" or "4ME" or something to that extent.  The voicemail wasn't very clear.  Now before I call the client back, I would like to know if this is something I can handle.  Is this a spearate audio stream in different foreign languages?  Or I'm I totally off the mark here?  Any help would be appreciated.  


Hope this isn't too much after the fact, but I'd like to stress the point Jay made that building an M&E from scratch is a hell of a lot of work. Takes about a week and a good foley artist.

Clients sometimes ask if you can make a 5.1 foreign M&E out of the stereo dialogue mix. This is nigh impossible.

But, if they have a stereo M&E track, you're golden! IME, it pays to check all the material you receive first, cause sometimes tapes labelled 'foreign' contain either just music or an otherwise incomplete M&E.
Or worse...different frame rates

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Re: Gear for mastering 5.1? full rack?
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2007, 04:59:33 AM »

Guys, thank you very much for the info!!!  This makes a whole lot of sense now.  Now I can reply my client as if I know what I'm talking about.  Wink  This forum rocks!
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Alécio Costa - Brazil

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Re: Gear for mastering 5.1? full rack?
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2007, 05:38:52 PM »

Are the licenses fot the System 6000  expensive?
Was M5000 a similar product? Did it have a finalizer inside or a dbmax?
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Alécio Costa Studio
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