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John Ivan

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Re: Musicianship/Engineering and Weed.
« Reply #45 on: January 18, 2007, 05:45:38 am »

compasspnt wrote on Wed, 17 January 2007 20:17

My answer may not be agreeable to some, but...

No drug, including pot, is helpful in any way.

I am totally against them.

Of course, I don't even drink, and if I could make the laws, no one else would, either.


So maybe I'm biased.




As far as Law's go, I don't believe there should be any Law saying what can or can't go in my blood. If I get caught driving or something while I'm fucked up, then lock me up for a long time but, enough of this crap about what I get to eat already..

Having said that, I MIGHT have two or three Beers per year and never when I work. As for the weed? I smoked for a very long time and think people should be able to grow it and smoke it all they want..

I don't smoke it anymore though. I personally find that my brain is enough of a challenge the way it is.I like to know what's going on around me for real. Getting high on anything except Music and people is something I find useless anymore.. I've heard people say they play better when they are High on weed. Recent experience,{and past experience} shows me that this is simply NOT true, by the numbers. The sessions I engineer always go south when folks start smoking. The take count goes up and I end up keeping stuff from earlier in the day. Same for drinking although, having a beer or something has a much smaller effect. Having said that, having "A beer or 9" is a nightmare when one is trying to play. I think Alcohol is much much more dangerous than weed..

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Re: Musicianship/Engineering and Weed.
« Reply #46 on: January 18, 2007, 07:00:19 am »

drugs slow everything down. cept speeds. caffeine really helped me back in the day, now it kicks my butt.

in fact, i think drugs only work once you are great and can play great. but when trying to come up with stuff, it slows things down and takes long i find. this is just my experience.

and i used to be a drug head in my 20s. now im straight edge drug free. my music is still ok, but not as good, but i blame my age more than anything.

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Re: Musicianship/Engineering and Weed.
« Reply #47 on: January 18, 2007, 07:25:00 am »

the way i look at it, pot's much better for painting a fence than a masterpiece

and even there, the fence isn't going to look any better, you'll just have more fun painting it
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Re: Musicianship/Engineering and Weed.
« Reply #48 on: January 18, 2007, 07:43:14 am »

compasspnt wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 04:47

Who knows what those creative people would be like without the stimulants?

Even better perhaps?





Exactly - Thats such a good point,

Maybe Bird and Hendrix would have been that much better if they weren't wasted..

In my own experience all I can say is it was absolutely shocking how great the difference for the better   was with musicians I knew who were strung out and ended up getting clean & sober..not only with their playing but their personal, social & family life as well,

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Re: Musicianship/Engineering and Weed.
« Reply #49 on: January 18, 2007, 07:49:25 am »

p.mento wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 11:37

i've done lots of reggae sessions in the studio, dubplates and recording. every singer or musician that you guys also have heard of - i.e. the serious, talented and known examples - were sober!



Thats funny - I too have recorded lots of reggae people and indeed the sessions were almost entirely drug & alcohol free..

I worked over the years  with one particular singer who has even done a famous marijuana 'anthem' - I've never seen him take a puff!

A sip of cognac on sessions 'for the voice' has happened on occasion tho' Smile

I think most people have to face the reality at a certain point that it (getting high) makes them lose their edge with critical tasks like..recording, performing etc..

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Re: Musicianship/Engineering and Weed.
« Reply #50 on: January 18, 2007, 07:54:54 am »

stanaho stanaho stanaho  Very Happy

we recorded with him as well (i'm just guessing who you're talking about), same story here.

we played backing band for a dancehall crew who had a major hit some years ago about smoking weed and bleeding eyes, not a single puff  Shocked  (some henessey, though)
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Re: Musicianship/Engineering and Weed.
« Reply #51 on: January 18, 2007, 08:05:04 am »

ziggy wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 13:54

stanaho stanaho stanaho  Very Happy

we recorded with him as well (i'm just guessing who you're talking about), same story here.




I can neither confirm or deny!


On another note - here's an interview with Legendary reggae drummer Sly Dunbar with a bit on the wacky weed:

  http://www.exclaim.ca/index.asp?layid=22&csid=1&csid 1=5645



Another development for the duo comes when they realize that ganja—that ever present mind altering accessory for reggae musicians—negatively affects their playing.

“When I used to play with Peter I used to smoke one spliff and thing like that,” recalls Sly later. “When you playing with Peter and you’re a youth you want to show that you’re big and everyone in Jamaica was smoking most of the time. Then, after awhile, it sort of make me feel laid back. I remember one night we did a concert with Peter and Robbie and myself had smoked a lot of herb before and when we went on stage the bass sounded like it had one string and I could hear all night this doo-doo-doo. And I remember trying to lick the cymbal and I miss the cymbal. So I listen to the playback of the concert and it wasn’t sounding that great for us, you know?”

The duo vow not to smoke before a session or concert again and by the early ’80s they’ve given it up totally. But even while they abstain Sly in particular believes that ganja smoke adds something to the studio’s sound and encourages musicians he works with to smoke if they wish.



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Re: Musicianship/Engineering and Weed.
« Reply #52 on: January 18, 2007, 08:31:54 am »

In 1969 or 70 there was a Peace concert held in NYC/MSG.
Several groups did very short sets.
Hendrix was the closer.
He was lost in another universe and literally could not play.
It was terrible.

However, I know people that have partaken regularly of various substances and have lead very productive and stable lives.

I know other people whose lives have been ruined by same.
Same holds for food, gambling, sex, acquisition of material goods.  

My conclusion.  It depends on the person.  Its not for me to judge.  Im a bit of a libertarian on this point. I believe our resources are ineffetive in battling this- and could be applied more productively elsewhere.  Legalization would take the crime  and violence out of the game at several levels.

Do substances help someone produce better music?  Naah.
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Re: Musicianship/Engineering and Weed.
« Reply #53 on: January 18, 2007, 08:37:01 am »

Kendrix wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 14:31

 Its not for me to judge.  Im a bit of a libertarian on this point. I beleive our resources are ineffetive in battling this- and could be applied more productively elsewhere.  Legalization would take the crime  and violence out of the game at several levels.


There is something to be said for the Dutch method of 'tolerance' and redirecting police efforts to so called hard drugs , which have a more significant impact on society..

The wacky weed is not 'legal' here like many think but exists in a kind of grey area of tolerance - lawmakers decided at a certain point it was better to have form of state control and overview of a black market as opposed to none at all..and thinking that by monitoring the 'soft' drug business people , they could easier monitor other dealings as well...which is true to a certain extent..

Of course the downside is this country is a haven for traffickers & money laundering - at least so I read in the news..

Some were so successful that they had thier own airline (allegedly smuggling & laundering proceeds) :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Holland
  http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2006/12/07/dutch_air line_executives_convicted/

& other alleged underworld figures invested in an airport Niederrhein  as well

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willem_Endstra


So they can't be doing too badly!
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Re: Musicianship/Engineering and Weed.
« Reply #54 on: January 18, 2007, 08:52:04 am »

using it instead of abusing it or being abused by it is the key.

weed has had it's influence on fantasy, the feeling of being free in oppressed society...

the act of losing your normal consciusness for a while can be liberating. This is good in a way.. especially when the local government is doing it's best to keep people in a state of fear, under control and too busy chasing the carrot to look after their own interests and wake up...

most bands that get into drugs have a short period where the drugs liberate the minds of the individuals in the band...

the keyword is liberate.

there has to be something to liberate.

so once that process has been gone through, the drugs become not so much the solution to a problem but an escape from reality.

when this happens people go inside themselves and lose it to a point.
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Re: Musicianship/Engineering and Weed.
« Reply #55 on: January 18, 2007, 08:52:21 am »

maxim wrote on Wed, 17 January 2007 23:58


i'd like to ask terry what proportion of the artists going through his studio smoke marijuana on a regular basis and how many do it when playing music



I would say very few smoke pot here in our studios.  It wouldn't be on one of my sessions at all, so there may be  a bit on outside rentals that I don't see.

I find the whole music recording industry much more serious and "businesslike" in these days of diminished budgets.
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Re: Musicianship/Engineering and Weed.
« Reply #56 on: January 18, 2007, 09:07:01 am »

wwittman wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 02:07

Version wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 00:15

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About the only drug going on is adrenaline and maybe the euphoria of a good meal or residue from a good orgasm. there i said it.





if you have residue from your orgasm I don't think I want to be in the control room with you.
or shake your hand.




I'm going with William on this one... that's just nasty! Shocked  Laughing  Laughing  Shocked
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Re: Musicianship/Engineering and Weed.
« Reply #57 on: January 18, 2007, 10:02:14 am »

compasspnt wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 03:34


Ummm...

That was green tea, my friend.

Even if it was from Starbucks.



So it was!

Sorry Embarassed


I'd have a very short tenure as a tea boy.

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Re: Musicianship/Engineering and Weed.
« Reply #58 on: January 18, 2007, 10:43:30 am »

yeah yeah, I walked into that one.


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Re: Musicianship/Engineering and Weed.
« Reply #59 on: January 18, 2007, 11:12:27 am »

wwittman wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 02:05

There was a really interesting study done a few years ago.

Apparently, it was already known that students who studied for tests while stoned on marijuana didn't recall as much information as they did when they studied 'straight'.

but what this study tried, for the first time, was to have them study under the influence and then TAKE THE TEST equivalently under the onfluence.

and THEN, they did just as well!!

Apparently the part of the brain accessed while stoned was ONLY really accessible (at least to the same degree) when stoned.

In some ways, this is where I stand: I'm not going to tell an artist to smoke pot that doesn't and if there is one who does while performing, rehearsing etc. I'm not going to tell him not to.

Either way, if they aren't ON, I'll be sober to figure out why they are off and adjust.
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