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[vegas4ever]

Little out of topic but..... I have a MXL 2001 Tube MOD and its the closes thing you can find to U-47. That may be a little better and cheaper for drum application (get hit alot) than the alternatives to the U87.....

[Kurt Foster]

I own a "newer" U87 ai  which I purchased new around '95. The sound is very smooth in the midrange with a sense of "silk" in the high end. My favorite preamp to use with my U87 currently is a Sebatron vmp ...

In the budget realm, the one mic that I have come across that sounds even close to similar to my U87 is the KEL HM-1 which goes for about $125 each.  It replicates the smoothness of the mid range but it does not exhibit the silk of the Nuemann.

I believe that KEL has a liberal return policy which allows you the chance to drive it before you decide to keep it. these mics have been more than useful in my mic locker. I use them all the time for guitar amps and snare drums. As always, ymmv.  I hope that helps

Good Luck with your endeavors,

Kurt

P.S.
I know I promised to let Harvey to check these mics out several months ago but to be honest, I just can't seem to find a time slot where I don't need them. I will keep this on my "to do" list and hopefully soon I can get them to him for his assessment. meanwhile I suggest you give them a listen for yourselves!

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[compasspnt]

I will second Kurt's rec of the KEL HM-1.  Very nice little mics.

I like the fact that they are not extra-fied on the high end.

High end is highly overrated.

Unless it's silky.



Also a GREAT mic to try out would be the K2.

Very versatile.

[hargerst]

compasspnt wrote on Fri, 15 December 2006 10:19

I will second Kurt's rec of the KEL HM-1.  Very nice little mics. I like the fact that they are not extra-fied on the high end. High end is highly overrated. Unless it's silky. Also a GREAT mic to try out would be the K2. Very versatile.

As far as a silky top end goes (in inexpensive mics), I really like the Studio Projects T3.

[Kurt Foster]

hargerst wrote on Fri, 15 December 2006 09:49

compasspnt wrote on Fri, 15 December 2006 10:19 I will second Kurt's rec of the KEL HM-1.  Very nice little mics. I like the fact that they are not extra-fied on the high end. High end is highly overrated. Unless it's silky. Also a GREAT mic to try out would be the K2. Very versatile. As far as a silky top end goes (in inexpensive mics), I really like the Studio Projects T3.

Harvey,
Is the T3 anything like a C12 in tems of its sound?

[hargerst]

Kurt Foster wrote

Harvey, Is the T3 anything like a C12 in terms of its sound?

I don't have a C12, so I can't do a direct comparison.

[henchman]

For me, Shure 98's still sounf the best on Tom's.

[Trumpetman2]

(someone's quote)

"This is not the snooty mic forum for self-important people, if that is what you are alluding to."



Too funny....bud sadly true!  Too much of this going around....

[hargerst]

Actually, that quote is from Klaus Heyne when this thread was in his forum.  Here's the whole quote:

"This is not the snooty mic forum for self-important people, if that is what you are alluding to. But it may indeed be the wrong forum for your needs because the people who by and large frequent this forum are professionals who may not be familiar with low-cost alternatives to professional mics.

I will gladly move this thread over to Harvey's forum, as was suggested, as I truly believe you will be better served there, and that is really what counts."

Now, moving this thread here is fine, because I do look for low priced alternatives to high dollar equipment.  But to suggest that my forum is not for professionals, or that suggestions here won't give you professional results is ludicrous.

Put Al Schmitt, George Massenburg, Ed Cherney, or Terry Manning in an all-Behringer studio, and tell me that what comes out of there won't be "professional", or good enough for major label distribution*.  I'll reply with one word: Bullshit.

Mics aren't "professional", it's the people that use the mics; they are the "professionals".

*That doesn't mean they will ever speak to you again, if you do.

[Trumpetman2]

hargerst wrote on Tue, 19 December 2006 09:43

Actually, that quote is from Klaus Heyne when this thread was in his forum.  Here's the whole quote: "This is not the snooty mic forum for self-important people, if that is what you are alluding to. But it may indeed be the wrong forum for your needs because the people who by and large frequent this forum are professionals who may not be familiar with low-cost alternatives to professional mics. I will gladly move this thread over to Harvey's forum, as was suggested, as I truly believe you will be better served there, and that is really what counts." Now, moving this thread here is fine, because I do look for low priced alternatives to high dollar equipment.  But to suggest that my forum is not for professionals, or that suggestions here won't give you professional results is ludicrous. Put Al Schmitt, George Massenburg, Ed Cherney, or Terry Manning in an all-Behringer studio, and tell me that what comes out of there won't be "professional", or good enough for major label distribution*.  I'll reply with one word: Bullshit. Mics aren't "professional", it's the people that use the mics; they are the "professionals". *That doesn't mean they will ever speak to you again, if you do.

Harvey:  I agree w/you 100% - so it appears that maybe that "other" forum might just be the "snooty mic forum for self-important people..."  hmmm.

[Fibes]

Heh.

Klaus is so misunderstood.

Heh.

FWIW I don't know dick about most cheap microphones, of which Harvey has a huge knowledge of. Harvey is, in my opinion a true professional, because he uses (any) tool, without prejudice to make great recordings which he is then reimbursed for his fine work. He gives this knowledge freely, without pretense and although pegged with a "budget" gig, his room and work are in no way cheap. That's why this is still referred to as Harvey's forum even though Dave and I get to hang here.

Harvey is the man.


Rant over.

[bigbone]

It's only MY opinion,
But i don't like the words ''cheap', to describe something that's good
i do prefer the term inexpensive.........cheap had nothing to do with price,
it got to do with quality
The KEL HM-1 is a great mic, it's inexpensive yes , but cheap ....non. ......

[sonny]

Rode NT2000. Not identical but does a similare job and has similar applications.  Bit more top in them but a 5k shelf @ -2db sorts it usually.

[vegas4ever]

bigbone wrote on Tue, 19 December 2006 14:03

It's only MY opinion, But i don't like the words ''cheap', to describe something that's good i do prefer the term inexpensive.........cheap had nothing to do with price, it got to do with quality The KEL HM-1 is a great mic, it's inexpensive yes , but cheap ....non. ......

I Second that!!!

we talk about "Inexpensive mics" in here:

http://recforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/m/190587/15918/#m sg_190587  

[Fibes]

My semantic bad.


The sentiment I was trying to get across is: Hell yeah Harvey!



I still believe the least expensive recording tool is technique (what Harvey said).

In fact it's free.

Excluding the cost of hard knocks...