Ashermusic wrote on Thu, 23 November 2006 23:57 |
[Oh come on, Brad, you are far too knowledgable to compare analog distorion which people have foiund aesthetically desirable for over 40 tears to digital jitter which no one has claimed is aesthetically desirable that I am aware of. This argument is beneath you.
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No, it's not 'beneath me'.
Fact is, there are folks who prefer digital clipping over limiting (or even leaving the signal alone). That's a process which creates everything but pleasing harmonics yet some folks like it. IME, any time you change a signal it can be better or worse - it's not automatically worse, but more often than not it is. But this is entirely a subjective discussion.
The point isn't whether or not I think more or less jitter sounds better it's the fact that Apogee sells a product which claims to make stuff sound better, and Dan went on to discuss it
in his own forum where he made the point
over and over that
subjective issues were not to be discussed.
While Apogee tried (and by many account here, failed) to discuss on a technical level what they were doing, the fact is it was a discussion that was based entirely on a subjective experience!
Are you going to tell (insert famous mastering engineer) "it's beneath you" because he claims to prefer some form of clocking? It's about the
sound and we (Fletcher and I) admit we made a mistake by allowing Dan to disassociate his forum from reality - that we work in a business that is almost entirely subjective and to divorce the 'art and science' of design from how it actually sounds doesn't help much.
While I understand people's frustrations; that it appears impropriety abounds, that Apogee was allowed to duck and run, that Dan was kicked off due to Apogee's influence - none of this is true. So let me quickly (and finally) repost what we've said about this issues: the discussion to remove Dan started
long ago, as he (and company) required more hand-holding and baby-sitting than the rest of the mods combine, by a long shot. Fletcher makes a
little money here, I make nothing, so, and I don't mean for this to sound dismissive or callous - forgive us for not wanting to keep someone on who took constant 'supervision'. I tried to be nice in the way I worded it up until now, but Fletcher's description was far more accurate. Suffice to say that when someone asks me if I'm anti-Semitic because R/E/P's parent company puts out 'Church Sound Magazine', they've crossed the line.
That's one of many examples.
Now please, I prefer we move forward. If you wish to discuss Apogee products, feel free to post about them in Bruno's forum - he's as honest and knowledgeable as anyone. If we were caving to Apogee, we certainly wouldn't suggest that you start the same thread again (the people seem to be focused on, even though we've said time and again it had nothing to do with Dan's departure) in the new forum.
We feel this is an upgrade for R/E/P and hope you enjoy his forum.