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Garrett H

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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #120 on: November 03, 2009, 05:39:32 pm »

I'm worried that people won't finish a project, won't record, or hold off making music because they are constantly holding out for that better recorder/interface/microphone...  
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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #121 on: November 03, 2009, 05:44:12 pm »

Viitalahde wrote on Tue, 03 November 2009 16:30


Besides, I never understood the appeal of equipment in general. They're tools. You usually don't see a carpenter drooling over his hammer (unless he's a special kind of a carpenter).


I rarely work with a contractor who doesn't at some point want to show off his $300 drill.  

There are many reasons to buy gear, no?  To shake things up, to solve a particular shortcoming, to widen one's palette?  I have equipment that is really good at doing specific things, but I don't have any one box that is suitable for any and all purposes.  Does this just mean I haven't spent enough time using said pieces?  I'm not so sure.

And maybe some will view this as a shortcoming, but I do regularly run into battles I could not fight with a single EQ and a single compressor.  

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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #122 on: November 03, 2009, 06:41:04 pm »

Rick O'neil wrote on Tue, 03 November 2009 13:38


so maybe we should all go on a two box diet for a month and see  how many rack spaces we could drop .?



Doug Sax used two eq's and one limiter and he got by ok.


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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #123 on: November 03, 2009, 06:43:10 pm »

It's easy enough for me.  STC-8M + Ibis = My toolbox.

Okay...a few plugins...but not many.    Very Happy
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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #124 on: November 03, 2009, 07:00:19 pm »

dcollins wrote on Tue, 03 November 2009 18:41


Doug Sax used two eq's and one limiter and he got by ok.

are you saying that these were very special devices?
or that doug's technique only required that many devices?

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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #125 on: November 03, 2009, 07:10:46 pm »

cerberus wrote on Tue, 03 November 2009 18:00

dcollins wrote on Tue, 03 November 2009 18:41


Doug Sax used two eq's and one limiter and he got by ok.

are you saying that these were very special devices?
or that doug's technique only required that many devices?

Technique > tools.

Doug is one of the all-time masters of the craft and therefore requires little in the way of tools.

I'd be lying if I said his somewhat minimalist approach wasn't a massive influence on my overall ideas regarding the craft.
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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #126 on: November 03, 2009, 08:08:29 pm »

dcollins wrote on Tue, 03 November 2009 18:41


Doug Sax used two eq's and one limiter and he got by ok.
When I worked with him during the '70s there was only one equalizer. What is the second one? The first was a passive shelf eq.

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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #127 on: November 03, 2009, 08:58:44 pm »

Dougs passive shelf also has a UREI component built in, if I'm not mistaken.

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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #128 on: November 03, 2009, 10:12:43 pm »

I think to say that Doug only has a limiter and 2 eq's (which btw add up to the same amount of bands as the usual single eq) is like saying TLA and CLA only use a pair of NS-10's. It's kind of amazing and daunting at the same time.
I know great engineers that use few tools and some that have lots. Personally I like having options even if I only use a few of them for 80% of the jobs.
Doug likes to remark "Some people need the 64 Crayola box. I only need red green and blue. "

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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #129 on: November 04, 2009, 08:14:06 am »

dcollins wrote on Tue, 03 November 2009 18:41

Rick O'neil wrote on Tue, 03 November 2009 13:38


so maybe we should all go on a two box diet for a month and see  how many rack spaces we could drop .?



Doug Sax used two eq's and one limiter and he got by ok.


DC




Doug Sax is a genius when it comes to mastering but most of the material he was getting in was already well done (well recorded and mixed) so he was literally putting the icing on the cake and did not need a lot of fancy tools to make the material sound GREAT. Now days, IMHO, when people bring in a mess you have to have more tools to make it sound good.

I love to get new gear or new audio software. It is especially nice when the new gear/software lets me do something that I was unable to do before like when I got RX from Izotope or my Weiss EQ1 MKII. I cannot afford a lot of high end equipment. Because of the the clients we serve and their budgets I have to work the magic with what I have. It has taught me that utilizing your equipment to the fullest is the best thing to do before deciding on purchasing new boxes or software. Sometime in the future I would like to be able to have a rack full of nice analog mastering gear but given the economy and our clients ability to pay that is probably NOT going to happen anytime soon.

Good topic!

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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #130 on: November 04, 2009, 08:45:50 am »

Thomas W. Bethel wrote on Wed, 04 November 2009 08:14


Doug Sax is a genius when it comes to mastering but most of the material he was getting in was already well done (well recorded and mixed) so he was literally putting the icing on the cake and did not need a lot of fancy tools to make the material sound GREAT.



I think this is a bit of a myth,  regarding "everything coming in sounding well done".

It's more to an ME's credit that they leave sounding like they came in well recorded and mixed.

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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #131 on: November 04, 2009, 09:03:22 am »

Waltz Mastering wrote on Wed, 04 November 2009 13:45

It's more to an ME's credit that they leave sounding like they came in well recorded and mixed.



I don't know if it eases with age and working years, but with very good mixes, I find it can take surprisingly a lot of time to do the decision of doing less.
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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #132 on: November 04, 2009, 11:58:18 am »

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I don't know if it eases with age and working years, but with very good mixes, I find it can take surprisingly a lot of time to do the decision of doing less.



True dat.

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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #133 on: November 04, 2009, 01:39:31 pm »

Viitalahde wrote on Wed, 04 November 2009 06:03


I don't know if it eases with age and working years, but with very good mixes, I find it can take surprisingly a lot of time to do the decision of doing less.



One of the hardest things to do is to know when to cut it flat.


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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #134 on: November 04, 2009, 02:43:27 pm »

isnt it curious that when you tell the client you going to cut the track flat it falls 50% between  all smiles beeming  proud engineer  for getting it right and  50 % paranoid  manager/ artist  wondering what the hell they are paying  you for if your not going to "do anything " !
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