Maxi,
I'm not a structural engineer. Really, when it comes down to it, I'm not ANY sort of Engineer on an official level. The word "Engineer" get's tossed about with great frequency these days. It can be argued that as a person who can properly gain stage an audio rig, make things sound good, come up with creative ways to solve problems and figure out how a car can be fixed, I in some way conduct some strange "style" of back wood's, seat of the pants, Engineering. {one could argue that the average House wife does this sort of thing nearly every day.}.
Let's talk about what I consider to be REAL Engineers. These are the many brave and driven Men and Women in our world who don't just talk like Engineer wanna' bes' but, actually go out into the world and learn the Math, the science, and the practical application of their craft. These folks live and breath the reality of the physical world and our, {the human} impact upon it every day. They show up at Plane crashes. They investigate car wrecks.. And they make informed decisions about how to build stuff and through many years of experience and the practical application of their "in the field study's", draw conclusions about what may have, or may not have transpired at any given event. Well, a huge portion/percentage of these folks believe that in fact, these Towers fell because a very large, heavy Aircraft breached the main weight bearing outer structure of these buildings. It's interesting to note that these buildings were better than average candidates for this kind of failure because of where the biggest portion of the structure "SAT" in terms of weight bearing. It's plainly clear, obvious even that a 767 moving at nearly 500 MPH {across the ground} could do bad bad damage to the outer structure ...
You mentioned the construction of an airplane in an earlier post. Yes, they do in fact make them as light as they can while still making them very strong. { the average big jet can be severely punished before it fails structurally though. You can invert them, take them vertical at amazing speed and so on before they break up.} I'm saying that at the weight and speed we are talking about, we could be talking about a big bag of leaves. It too could have done great damage to the towers.{ well, maybe not leaves but, you get the idea.}
There is a fine explanation about the vertical speed at which the towers fell and I will try to find this for you. Gravity is gravity and after that much weight is headed for the ground, the floors below become less and less and impediment.smash a piece of paper with your hand's.The fact that there is paper between your hands wont slow them down much. Also, we can only observe the fall from outside the building, after the fact. While there is video, we don't know when the drop started with any real precision and we don't know when it stopped either. All we can do is guess. We don't know the "speed at which the floors fell" we are guessing. Period.
When one considers:
1. weak structure.
2.fire hot enough to weaken the horizontal floor structure. {this is not an item that real Engineers even argue about now and hasn't been since about a week after the collapse.}
3. The design of the buildings {this is a big one.}
It is clear to most people except a few for what ever reason , WANT TO OR NEED TO BELIEVE THIS CAN'T BE TRUE that what we saw that horrible day is what in fact happened.
Honestly, you pissed me off last week when you started insulting people around here who have forgotten more about this than you or I will ever know. I don't like it when tone deaf hacks show up at "gig's" with drum machines. You have jumped on a band wagon driven by these very hacks. You have not pointed to one person who has the Engineering chops necessary to claim any of this shit. They sound to me like the republican party claiming "moral high ground" In short, it's a bunch of horse shit and I think they just want to get paid for showing up and doing "speaking engagements."..
I never thought so many people would vote for W. I also never thought so many people would buy into such bull shit about nothing. Wheels are square? green is orange? 767's are wimpy? Drum machines swing???
It's a mad mad mad fucking world...................
I think we may be in real trouble.........
Ivan........................
