No, I haven't heard the 8801 nor any of the other stuff Neve
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« Reply #36 on: October 14, 2006, 03:26:47 AM »
| trock wrote on Fri, 13 October 2006 16:13 |
thanks curve
see this is where it gets confusing a little, i meant had fletcher heard any of the new strips from NEVE such as the 8801 etc, not the portico range stuff
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I understand your confusion. Let's try to sort it out. You have to understand that Rupert Neve is a design engineer. Like any sort of designer, he is free to partner with any manufacturing company in order for that company to bring products to market. Likewise, those companies are free to use his name as a brand-stamp on those products. AMS-Neve is one such company. Rupert Neve once partnered with AMS, shared his design concepts with them, and they manufactured products utilizing those concepts. The AMS-Neve 88R recording/mixing console was a product of that partnership. The 8801 channel strip is an offshoot of that product: It supposedly gives you a single channel of the 88R AMS-Neve console in a single rack space unit. Exactly how much "Neve" is in the 8801, is something your next question touches on: | Quote: |
which is where i started getting confused as to what was what with Rupert Neve vs Neve vs focusrite vs what was or wasn't considered his gear.
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Any piece of equipment that Rupert Neve has lent his name to, has varying degrees of "authenticity" now. The question is: What does that mean to you? Does the kit work for your needs? If it does, great! And the added cache of the "Neve" name on it means you can bandie that about to your clients, for whatever that's worth. The Portico line is currently the closest you will come to having Rupert Neve's actual hand on the product. But don't take that as an ever-lasting endorsement of Portico. These companies are in the business of selling fantasies. If it's got the "Neve" name on it, you buy into the fantasy that your audio will be "magic." I wouldn't get too caught up in that on the gear side. Some if these gear manufacturers are really piggy-backing on talent which they actually had nothing to do with. To wit: | Quote: |
by the way that track sounds great!
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Had very little to do with the gear, and very much to do with the talent. We could record Ashley with tin cans and waxed string, and you would still pay attention.
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« Reply #37 on: October 14, 2006, 06:14:13 AM »
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You have to understand that Rupert Neve is a design engineer. Like any sort of designer, he is free to partner with any manufacturing company in order for that company to bring products to market. Likewise, those companies are free to use his name as a brand-stamp on those products.
AMS-Neve is one such company. Rupert Neve once partnered with AMS, shared his design concepts with them, and they manufactured products utilizing those concepts.
The AMS-Neve 88R recording/mixing console was a product of that partnership. The 8801 channel strip is an offshoot of that product: It supposedly gives you a single channel of the 88R AMS-Neve console in a single rack space unit.
Exactly how much "Neve" is in the 8801, is something your next question touches on:
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Hi Lordy, there's a few myths in this statement! Here's the deal... Rupert Neve and Co Ltd sold the company to Bonochord Group in 1973. He left in 1975. Bonochord Group changed the name to Energy Services and Equipment. ESE sold the company to Siemens in 1985. This was when the V series was developed. Siemens got P.O'd with the way Neve was being run and forced them to lay off around 300 workers and combine with AMS in 1992. Thus Rupert had nothing at all to do with the V series, AMS, the 88R or the 8801 so there is zero, zilch, nada influence. AMS-Neve bought themselves out of the Siemens Group and, more recently, were bought by SAE. Mr Neve's involvement with the company ceased in 1975 other than a brief connection in 1978 to design the AIR Montserrat consoles. 
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« Reply #38 on: October 14, 2006, 08:29:17 AM »
Thanks geoff and curve
and the confusion grows. but you are certainly right curve, the talent has so much to do with the final product and no one piece of gear without it is going to give you that magic.
I also am realizing just because it says NEVE on it doesn;t mean it may be the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Has anyone ever sorted out then what is or isn't something rupert designed? that would be an interesting list, and probably helpful to alot of the newer more naive persons such as myself
this is very interesting though, so much history in the music industry on the gear side, who knew
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« Reply #39 on: October 14, 2006, 10:48:32 AM »
| trock wrote on Sat, 14 October 2006 05:29 |
Has anyone ever sorted out then what is or isn't something rupert designed? that would be an interesting list, and probably helpful to alot of the newer more naive persons such as myself
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Hi I think that it's better to phrase the question as to which products Mr Neve had influence in the design of. A major electronics company is not made up of one designer and the key to any successful product is team work, each member contributing their part.
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« Reply #40 on: October 14, 2006, 03:35:57 PM »
One thing I find interesting is that every company Rupert Neve has ever had anything to do with (except for the present RND), have either been bankrupt, or no longer exist.
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« Reply #41 on: October 14, 2006, 03:52:25 PM »
| Fletcher wrote on Wed, 11 October 2006 16:45 |
...To me, between the Great River stuff and the Portico stuff there is no reason to revisit the ugly grey modules with the shiney red switch cap at the top... but as always, YMMV.
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So let me get this straight; only the Great River stuff which was "designed" by, Dan Kennedy (and you???), and the new RND stuff (both of which you carry by the way), are the only good and pretty "Neve" stuff......Ok
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« Reply #42 on: October 14, 2006, 04:04:52 PM »
| trock wrote on Sat, 14 October 2006 07:29 |
Thanks geoff and curve
and the confusion grows. but you are certainly right curve, the talent has so much to do with the final product and no one piece of gear without it is going to give you that magic
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curve has no idea what he is talking about... stop listening to him and yu won't be so confused.
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« Reply #43 on: October 14, 2006, 05:26:08 PM »
| Samc wrote on Sat, 14 October 2006 21:52 |
| Fletcher wrote on Wed, 11 October 2006 16:45 |
...To me, between the Great River stuff and the Portico stuff there is no reason to revisit the ugly grey modules with the shiney red switch cap at the top... but as always, YMMV.
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So let me get this straight; only the Great River stuff which was "designed" by, Dan Kennedy (and you???), and the new RND stuff (both of which you carry by the way), are the only good and pretty "Neve" stuff......Ok
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« Reply #44 on: October 15, 2006, 12:43:41 AM »
| Geoff_T wrote on Sat, 14 October 2006 11:14 |
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You have to understand that Rupert Neve is a design engineer. Like any sort of designer, he is free to partner with any manufacturing company in order for that company to bring products to market. Likewise, those companies are free to use his name as a brand-stamp on those products.
AMS-Neve is one such company. Rupert Neve once partnered with AMS, shared his design concepts with them, and they manufactured products utilizing those concepts.
The AMS-Neve 88R recording/mixing console was a product of that partnership. The 8801 channel strip is an offshoot of that product: It supposedly gives you a single channel of the 88R AMS-Neve console in a single rack space unit.
Exactly how much "Neve" is in the 8801, is something your next question touches on:
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Hi
Lordy, there's a few myths in this statement!
Here's the deal...
Rupert Neve and Co Ltd sold the company to Bonochord Group in 1973. He left in 1975.
Bonochord Group changed the name to Energy Services and Equipment.
ESE sold the company to Siemens around 1984 (this is a memory stretch and I'm typing this at 3am!).
This was when the V series was developed.
Siemens got P.O'd with the way Neve was being run and forced them to lay off around 300 workers and combine with AMS in 1992.
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Geoff, Thanks for clarifying how Rupert's design concepts and name ended up with AMS attached to it. I had simplified my explaination for the sake of illustrating a larger point to the poster - which was: What's in a name? | Quote: |
Thus Rupert had nothing at all to do with the V series, AMS, the 88R or the 8801 so there is zero, zilch, nada influence.
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An oversimplification in itself, but have at it. I have no interest in debating the finer points of how much of a man's soul resides in a metal box full of wires and solder.
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