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MT Groove

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Samplitude/Sequoia users; CD burning question.
« on: August 10, 2006, 01:44:32 AM »

When you assembled your project and ready to burn, do you burn and let calculation occur on the fly or bounce the whole file to disk before burning?  

I think bouncing the whole file to disk before burning may be a bit safer but if the project has no plugs or fx inserted, would burning a CD with on the fly calculations be safe enough?  I've been doing it on the fly at 8x or 16 x and haven't had any issues yet.  I just want to see if anyone else has had any issues with this.  I've been burning with an internal Plextor PX-716A.  I get good results with plextools at 0.3 averages C1 on TY media.
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Re: Samplitude/Sequoia users; CD burning question.
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2006, 04:40:47 AM »

I use WL, but I render to cue/wav first. Then I burn the image at 1x speed. The great thing about this is you don't need to worry about a thing while writing, plus you have a back-up. As they say in Holland: two flies in one stroke.
Great C2 results with my Plextor
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Re: Samplitude/Sequoia users; CD burning question.
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2006, 07:13:23 AM »

present wrote on Thu, 10 August 2006 09:40


Great C2 results with my Plextor


Huh? You must mean C1.

MT Groove wrote on Thu, 10 August 2006 06:44

 I get good results with plextools at 0.3 averages C1 on TY media.


Yesterday I popped in a V2 (big label) commercially released CD and Plextools said: C1 - 1.6 average.


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Re: Samplitude/Sequoia users; CD burning question.
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2006, 07:18:14 AM »

I'm sorry...I meant C1.
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Re: Samplitude/Sequoia users; CD burning question.
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2006, 07:26:50 AM »

MT Groove wrote on Thu, 10 August 2006 00:44

When you assembled your project and ready to burn, do you burn and let calculation occur on the fly or bounce the whole file to disk before burning?  

I always burn an image (burn to disk) so that when the client gives approval of the ref, the final master can in no way be different.

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I think bouncing the whole file to disk before burning may be a bit safer but if the project has no plugs or fx inserted, would burning a CD with on the fly calculations be safe enough?  I've been doing it on the fly at 8x or 16 x and haven't had any issues yet.  I just want to see if anyone else has had any issues with this.  I've been burning with an internal Plextor PX-716A.  I get good results with plextools at 0.3 averages C1 on TY media.

It shouldn't pose a problem with no internal processing. I often place an L2 on the output to gain a touch of level on bigdumbrock records which is what started me down the path of BTD. Now I just bounce everything down, takes virtually no time but insures that the production master will be a clone of the reference.
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Re: Samplitude/Sequoia users; CD burning question.
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2006, 12:54:13 PM »

bblackwood wrote on Thu, 10 August 2006 19:26

MT Groove wrote on Thu, 10 August 2006 00:44

When you assembled your project and ready to burn, do you burn and let calculation occur on the fly or bounce the whole file to disk before burning?  

I always burn an image (burn to disk) so that when the client gives approval of the ref, the final master can in no way be different.



straight to DDP image for me also. It's media independent. And, of course, you can burn red book from the DDP as well if you want. And you can edit mistakes in the text without needing to re-do anything else!

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Re: Samplitude/Sequoia users; CD burning question.
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2006, 01:05:30 PM »

bblackwood wrote on Thu, 10 August 2006 06:26

I always burn an image (burn to disk) so that when the client gives approval of the ref, the final master can in no way be different.


Same here, but with WaveBurner on OSX.
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Re: Samplitude/Sequoia users; CD burning question.
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2006, 01:22:17 PM »

Yeah I guess for the added safety, I should also burn from an image.  Thanks for the tip.
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Re: Samplitude/Sequoia users; CD burning question.
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2006, 01:31:34 AM »

I write to a single file also, close it and reopen it (I'm sure the rest of the Samp/Seq crowd can relate**) and then burn the disc from that file.



** The "extra" frame...  
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Re: Samplitude/Sequoia users; CD burning question.
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2006, 01:39:24 AM »

Just remember to switch of the dither if you are burning form a rendered file...

John,

what is the extra frame?

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Re: Samplitude/Sequoia users; CD burning question.
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2006, 04:03:56 AM »

prozak wrote on Fri, 11 August 2006 00:39

Just remember to switch of the dither if you are burning form a rendered file...

John,

what is the extra frame?

Best Regards

Tim



I was gonna ask about that.  Does Samp/Seq automatically omit dither if the file is already 16 bit?  I thought Samp only apply dither when there is a bit depth reduction occuring.  Can someone clarify this?
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Re: Samplitude/Sequoia users; CD burning question.
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2006, 11:22:02 AM »

In the VIP, your "END" marker is (for example)47:17:10 in the TOC.  

If you generate a new file, the end marker is 47:17:11 -- But you don't get the "new" PQ log until you close and reopen the file.  I'm sure it's nothing the replicator is going to care about...
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Re: Samplitude/Sequoia users; CD burning question.
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2006, 11:48:14 AM »

Samplitude only applies dither when reducing the bit depth from 24-bit or float.

If you burn from a 16-bit image it won't apply dither.

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Re: Samplitude/Sequoia users; CD burning question.
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2006, 03:12:17 PM »

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If you burn from a 16-bit image it won't apply dither


As far as I know Samplitude will re-dither a 16bit wav-project, unless dither is swithced of; or the 16bit wav-project is opened in destructive mode.

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