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Jacob Eli

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2 channel mic pres
« on: June 27, 2006, 10:27:28 pm »

Hello. I'm looking for a two channel mic pre for under $2,000.  Around $1500 would be great.  I have an API 3124 right now and I've been looking at the new Neve Portico and the Brent Averill 1272.  Any other suggestions/opinions?

Thank you

Jake
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Re: 2 channel mic pres
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2006, 05:19:05 am »

Wow.  

There have been so many iterations of this question it is very difficult to answer... in fact, for someone not in your shoes, I would dare to say impossible to answer.  

What I would suggest you do is pick out 3 or 4 things you think you would like to try, then try them.  Try them next to each other.  Try them in the applications that are your music/studio/etc... then make an educated decision about which unit will give you the best "bang for your dollar".

I could no more tell you who you should marry or what kind of car you should buy then which mic pre to get.  Some brothers like pickup trucks... some like sedans.  You can best determine what will suit your requirements for a tool [in this case, microphone pre-amplifier] by giving a few of them a shot.

If you feel you'd like help in narrowing it down, may I suggest that you elaborate on your purposes for the tool(s).  What kind of music you're doing... what you're using now... what you think you can improve about the quality of your audio that will enhance the music you're doing, etc.

With that information people will have half a fighting shot at making a suggestion that pretty much validates their purchases... but may shed a modicum of light on how you might want to proceed in the initial "weeding out" process.

Best of luck with the search.
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Re: 2 channel mic pres
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2006, 09:39:15 am »

With that information people will have half a fighting shot at making a suggestion that pretty much validates their purchases...

thats the funniest thing i have read in weeks
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Re: 2 channel mic pres
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2006, 12:40:06 pm »

I love the Portico 5012... pretty hard to find something it doesn't do well.  It has more of a pear shape sound like most Neve stuff.

For more sizzle and attitude I like the Chandler TG2 for guitars... and vocals.

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Re: 2 channel mic pres
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2006, 07:27:44 pm »

Although I am NOT making a SUGGESTION. Based on your range of $2000.oo and the fact that you want a dual channel preamp, I believe that there is at least one product out there which is worth every bit of it's MSRP if not more and that is the Manley Labs "Langevin Dual Vocal Combo". Although I use it mostly on bass, electric guitars and overheads. It has alot of quality features for the price and is very workable.
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Re: 2 channel mic pres
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2006, 02:48:00 pm »

One other unit that you might look into is the Daking Mic Pre IV... another 4 channels for less than $2k.  If you do a search, I believe JJ Blair posted some samples of a Daking Pre along with some other pieces.

Sean Meredith-Jones
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Re: 2 channel mic pres
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2006, 04:45:12 pm »

Agreeing with Fletcher on his post above, I'd start by listening to the Portico 5012, which most people agree is an excellent-sounding bang for buck, and a pair of the TAB/Funkenwerk V78s, which are just a smidgen under $2K the pair, and are bold and warm and tubey. And hating the overuse of the word "warm", I only use it when it's really appropriate.

These are a couple of very different but essential flavors, and certainly a lot of bigness for your budget.

What style of music are you tracking?
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Re: 2 channel mic pres
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2006, 12:06:37 pm »

Rent.

Listen.

Decide.

Shop.

Buy.


Any questions?
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Re: 2 channel mic pres
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2006, 12:27:45 pm »

If you're handy with a soldering iron then you should take a look at 7th Circle Audio as well. One of the best values in pre's on the planet, and they're really not difficult or time consuming to build at all.

Oh, and they sound fantastic as well!!

-Lance
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Re: 2 channel mic pres
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2006, 10:10:33 am »

Forget the Baskin-Robbins approach.

Find one you like.  Get as many of them as you need and can afford.

Make cohesive recordings.
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Re: 2 channel mic pres
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2006, 01:28:08 pm »

Jacob Eli wrote on Tue, 27 June 2006 21:27

Hello. I'm looking for a two channel mic pre for under $2,000.  Around $1500 would be great.  I have an API 3124 right now and I've been looking at the new Neve Portico and the Brent Averill 1272.  Any other suggestions/opinions?

Thank you

Jake


...probably not another 3124... that said - you are thinking along the lines of devices that compliment a 3124. Maybe something thats's more clean, Maybe something in the controversial "neve" vein, Maybe something with a "tube" inside of it... etc... All good ideas that will give you another flavor.

cheers,
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Re: 2 channel mic pres
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2006, 01:35:08 pm »

compasspnt wrote on Sat, 22 July 2006 09:10


Forget the Baskin-Robbins approach.

Fine one you like.  Get as many of them as you need and can afford.

Make cohesive recordings.




Wow!

Wow to "one"

Wow to "cohesive"


lemme nough
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Re: 2 channel mic pres
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2006, 01:43:53 pm »

BTW,

I think that's like a Korean Haiku or sumtin'

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Re: 2 channel mic pres
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2006, 01:15:06 pm »

Great River mp2-nv is great.  Can find them used on message boards for $1700 to $1900.  Worth every penny.

But really it depends on what you're recording, too.
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Re: 2 channel mic pres
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2006, 02:35:17 pm »

Korean Haiku?
I would like to c one
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Re: 2 channel mic pres
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2006, 04:04:34 pm »

nirguni wrote on Mon, 24 July 2006 13:35

Korean Haiku?
I would like to c one



All the live music
I want to hear
Only Japan
Not here
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Re: 2 channel mic pres
« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2006, 10:23:18 am »

In many regards I agree with Terry... but only if you're keeping your track count to something reasonable and the unit you choose is somewhat clear sounding.  In other words, 24 tracks of something like the Chandler "Germanium" will end up with a pretty cloudy haze on it [which might help if you're recording to Pro-sTools... but if you're storing your audio in a system that actually stores audio with a better degree of clarity and definition then it may very well be an impediment].

I grew up in the days when the mic pres on the console were the mic pres for the record... before they plethora of options became available.

I'm in like the generation one or two behind Mr. Manning's generation... we had just started to explore outside options when I was coming up... it wasn't a "staple" like it is today.

I dare say that the "console" pre-amps were a hell of a lot better then than they are now so it wasn't an unreasonable situation... and we also kept the track count way lower.  I dare say that even with all the bouncing and other mayhem during the "golden era" of multi-track recording you were still talking about fewer than 20 recorded tracks... and even with all the bouncing that occured on things like 1" 4-track machines, with that format there was really minimal fidelity loss in comparison to doing bounces on things like 2" 24trk decks.

As the storage technology became cheaper and more expansive I have to say that the function began to outweigh the form... no longer were you restricted to 4 or 8 or 16 or 24 or 46 (2 for timecode) tracks... but the audio quality between each of those formats took a hit as the potential track count expanded.

In the early 80's you had things like the MCI 600 series desk come onto the market... which had "competent" sounding pre's but they weren't "Trident" or "API" or "Neev" pre's by any stretch of the imagination.  They were good on percussive sounds but pretty scratchy for legato sounds... which led the studio where I worked to purchase a "Jensen Twin Servo" mic pre that at the time was built by "Boulder Electronics" [a very similar machine has been under manufacture by Mr. John Hardy for probably the last 20 or so years].

The "Boulder" pre, to this day, is probably one the five or six best sounding events I have ever experienced.  It's way up there with things like the DW Fearn and the Martech MSS-10.  I could definitely see making a 24+ track recording using nothing but a "Hardy Twin Servo" or a "Fearn VT-2" or a slew of "Martech MSS-10"s because they are so clear, open, opulent, and lovely... because you could stack a bazillion tracks through them that would all retain the size and depth of the original intention of the recording... but then you still have the limiting factor of A/D and D/A conversion processes that muddy the water as well.

There are pre-amps on the market that have different tones/textures available from them that can indeed add [or at least in my opinion can add... in some cases I can also see great potential for them to detract!!] to the overall texture of tone and separation or act as a congealing agent to give the product the life and depth it deserves... and then we'll run it through 6 million layers of compression, an SSL desk or mix in the box in Pro-sTools with a bazillion plug ins and turn it into the 2 dimensional crap I keep hearing on the radio... so in the end, yeah, you're probably right... but in my world [where I get to listen to music BEFORE it gets trampled by "the biznezz"], it's really nice to have the various levels of textures available to shape the overall texture of the audio to really compliment the music.

Peace.
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mwagener wrote on Sat, 11 September 2004 14:33
We are selling emotions, there are no emotions in a grid


"Recording engineers are an arrogant bunch.  
If you've spent most of your life with a few thousand dollars worth of musicians in the studio, making a decision every second and a half... and you and  they are going to have to live with it for the rest of your lives, you'll get pretty arrogant too.  It takes a certain amount of balls to do that... something around three"
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Re: 2 channel mic pres
« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2006, 11:15:05 pm »

In many regards I agree with Fletcher...

If you are going to use only (or mostly) one mic pre (whether console or several/many externals), then it had better be a good one.

And that is the whole point.

Dark Side Of The Moon was done with "all" EMI.
As were almost all Beatles records.

Many many other great (artistically and sonically) recordings were done with "just one preamp."

But in almost ALL of those cases, it was one GREAT preamp.

Almost always right inside a GREAT console.

Ditto on the Much Crap Inside pre's.

I think it was the MCI/Harrison/other junk preamps that inspired the "outboard craze;" more so than any SSL.
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Re: 2 channel mic pres
« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2006, 05:26:36 pm »

Things to audition:

Chandler TG
Potico
John Hardy
Great River NV
Pacifica
Tab Funkwerk

They are all nice, You will need to choose which one is right for your place.


I'm a huge John Hardy fan, Great bang for buck. Expandable.
Solid as a rock. Big sounding but not too much personality.
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Re: 2 channel mic pres
« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2006, 08:27:01 pm »

compasspnt wrote on Fri, 25 August 2006 20:15


I think it was the MCI/Harrison/other junk preamps that inspired the "outboard craze;" more so than any SSL.


And it really exploded when Mackie hit the scene.
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Re: 2 channel mic pres
« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2006, 10:06:13 pm »

Quote:

....but not too much personality.

Normally I would be offended...

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Re: 2 channel mic pres
« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2006, 07:20:27 am »

Chris L wrote on Mon, 24 July 2006 18:15

Great River mp2-nv is great.  Can find them used on message boards for $1700 to $1900.  Worth every penny.

But really it depends on what you're recording, too.


Agree, I use mine from bluegrass to metal...

hb
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Re: 2 channel mic pres
« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2006, 07:12:32 pm »

John Hardy wrote on Sat, 09 September 2006 22:06

Quote:

....but not too much personality.

Normally I would be offended...





Great pres.



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Re: 2 channel mic pres
« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2006, 12:46:29 am »

smj wrote on Tue, 11 July 2006 14:48

One other unit that you might look into is the Daking Mic Pre IV... another 4 channels for less than $2k.  If you do a search, I believe JJ Blair posted some samples of a Daking Pre along with some other pieces.

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DAKING! As I understand it, these are updates of Trident A Range Pres. What I know for sure is that they whip a llama's ass with a belt! Huge sounding without grain or mud. The MP2NV is very similar sounding in that you get the old school muscle and gravitas without the "Haze".

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