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PieterS

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Re: WUMP II - Objectives & Techniques -
« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2006, 02:34:12 PM »

Patrik T wrote on Tue, 30 May 2006 19:50

I could not catch a 96 kHz stream and play back a 48 kHz source because the same DAW was used for playback and record.



Ok, that makes sense  Smile

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« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2006, 07:18:42 PM »



I actually used the SRC in Wavelab which i think i don't normally do, should have used my usual R8 Brain! Doh!
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Re: WUMP II - Objectives & Techniques -
« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2006, 10:14:53 PM »

I wish I had more time.  I had to squeeze this one in between some Rap/Hip Hop mixing sessions.  

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TC Electronic MD3 EQ

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« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2006, 08:58:11 AM »

when i learn what patrik did, i am amazed and start thinking more about how to be efficient...but one assumption i question:
Patrik T wrote on Tue, 30 May 2006 11:04

its only adding samples between the main 48 kHz points and do not have to mess with interpolation things.
i was told that 48->96 being an "integer multiplication" means nothing, what really happens is that the signal is upsampled to a very high number internally and interpolated, not multiplied by two like intuition would suggest. but supposing it did work that simply, the aliasing would be no easier to filter...  i recall dan lavry making this point, but a few here have suggested a 2x upsample is somehow safer than converting to rates like 88.2... i think that's not correct.

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« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2006, 09:19:15 AM »

Ah, well, yes. R8brain upsamples like that. What I meant was that it is a fast operation since it is double up.

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« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2006, 09:29:26 AM »

xavier is a sign that learning could or has taken place...

Matt_G wrote on Tue, 30 May 2006 12:00

using Sennheiser HD600 headphones, I double checked the master in the morning on the Dyn's/Vel & decided to just add a little more highs overall.

this just confirms my feeling that monitoring is highly personal:
dynaudios sound woolly to me, i don't care for subwoofers. and i think that headphones are a necessary evil...in a tracking room.  but i loved matt's master.

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« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2006, 09:37:34 AM »

Actually, I also checked all contributions in a pair of Sennheiser HD600's but forgot to write that. They are EXCELLENT for critical listening.

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« Reply #22 on: May 31, 2006, 09:45:35 AM »

never used that design... but it looks comfortable. i'll keep them in mind next time i buy...what is a good headphone amp?

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« Reply #23 on: May 31, 2006, 09:54:01 AM »

Get yourself a pair fast as hell. Rush, RUSH, to the store, before the Sennheiser people decides to discontinue the best headphone I've ever come across. You'll never regret that investment.

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« Reply #24 on: May 31, 2006, 10:00:27 AM »

I would never consider Sennheiser for critical listening.

I my world the only headphones for that, would be from Grado Labs, either of the top models.

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« Reply #25 on: May 31, 2006, 10:06:02 AM »

further confirming my feelings that monitoring is a personal choice; none are really transparent; they are all colored differently, and we all hear differently. e.g. the recent "noise that repels some teenagers but is pleasing to others which some older people can't hear at all" thread here.

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« Reply #26 on: May 31, 2006, 01:39:04 PM »

Sennheiser HD600's.

Can't recommend them enough.

Whenever people with home studios are having monitoring issues and need to make a dramatic improvement on a limited budget, I recommend they get these before they drop a bunch of cash on speakers and treatment.

It's a revelation to them and their mixes always come back better.
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« Reply #27 on: May 31, 2006, 01:52:55 PM »

Thanks for the tip man.
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« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2006, 02:51:36 PM »

lagerfeldt wrote on Wed, 31 May 2006 09:00

I would never consider Sennheiser for critical listening.

I my world the only headphones for that, would be from Grado Labs, either of the top models.

That's funny.  People like different things.

The only Grado's I've ever listened to were horrible and my head felt like it was in a vice grip.  

Wood on headphones?  Really?  Is that a good idea?  

All around, a pretty lousy experience.

A friend of mine bought some because they were supposed to be great.  I listened to them and laughed.  He later admitted that he was really working hard to try to like them.  He returned them and got HD600's.

The only thing he's found that he liked better are the AKG headspeakers - which he currently mixes major label records on (!).

Hopefully Grado has better models that I just havent heard.
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Re: WUMP II - Objectives & Techniques -
« Reply #29 on: May 31, 2006, 03:48:40 PM »

Bob.

The HD 600's are extremely open out the side. It's very easy to understand what more closed constructions make to spectral balance by just putting a hand on one cup while listening in the HD's.

The small cones are virtally "flotaing" in free air between the ear and the outside and I believe that it is this that makes the construction extremely good.

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