Fenris Wulf. wrote on Thu, 18 May 2006 19:28 |
Modern hip-hop has become COMPLETELY dominated by the "gangsta" style and this is true on every level from MTV to the street.
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Actually it hasn't "become COMPLETELY dominated" which is why I wrote for you to go to mtv.com and click on soul R&B and actual look and listen to what was up there. I listed everything that was there. I don't see any "gangsta". The Mariah Carey track that is up there has nothing to do with "gangsta", ironically the vocal is, "say something good to me". Pharrel - who wrote that track - IS AN EXTREMELY GOOD MUSICIAN AND PRODUCER - he has a knack for writting pop hits and selling records.
Gnarles Barkley - crazy - another track UP THERE NOW - IS ALSO MUSICIANS and A HELL OF A TALENTED SINGER as well as a great video - if you bothered to look and listen to the music or what I wrote.
Fenris Wulf. wrote on Thu, 18 May 2006 19:28 |
Gangsta rap has become insanely popular ...
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Kanye West - Late Registration was by far the best selling album of last year. Jon Brion, one of the best studio MUSICIAN/songwriters I've ever heard period is on almost EVERY TRACK. There is tons of Vocal work and live orchestra ALL over the album.
John Legend - who won a best new artist grammy - is R&B and his PLAYS PIANO and EXTREMLY WELL.
You are talking about something that I WORK IN EVERY DAY. WITH REAL MUSICIANS WHO PLAY REAL LIVE INSTRUMENTS. I know this industry inside and out. Trust me, Fenris, you know little about R&B or hip-hop and you obviously feel like stereotyping a genre with your ears plugged up.
Fenris Wulf. wrote on Thu, 18 May 2006 19:28 |
I will record anyone who can play a musical instrument. That's my policy.
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Only if it's not a hip-hop or R&B, right? Again, I SAID it's OK to say no HIP-HOP and R&B. It's even ok to not like black people but you offended me and other people who read your posting by comparing them to Mosely. Don't you get it?
Fenris Wulf. wrote on Thu, 18 May 2006 19:28 |
You are a mindless, politically correct twit and I do not have to justify myself to you.
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Good argument except for the fact that you started the thread you should be able to justify what you say. You say most hip-hop / R&B is "gangsta", "on the street and on mtv". But mtv.com click on soul/r&b and none of it's gangsta.
Again your post offended people - people found it racist - you don't have to justify it but to be starting it on an engineering forum is kinda crappy.
Fenris Wulf. wrote on Thu, 18 May 2006 19:28 |
The worst Derrick Mosely did was waste a few days of my time. I had no ill-will towards the guy, I kind of felt sorry for him because he was such a loser. That also goes for the former employer mentioned in my bio, who had serious mental problems. These were learning experiences.
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Actually Derrick Mosely's actions brought about your "No hip hop / r&b" policy. And you were happy to share your story about him while associating it with EVERYONE involved with hip-hop and r&b.
From a business standpoint a "No pay no play" policy would have worked. But again, you could have come out and just said, "I don't like hip-hop and r&b and I won't record it in my studio." I DON'T have a problem with that at all. Theres a studio a block from here that won't do anything but classical.
Fenris Wulf. wrote on Thu, 18 May 2006 19:28 |
I know for a fact that a well-respected guy who posts here refuses to work with Christian Contemporary bands. In his experience, Christian labels are some of THE sleaziest people in the business and they think they have a right to stiff you on payment because they're doing "God's work."
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Again, it's business. "No pay no play" works great for us here. I would believe there are sleazy people in every genre and part of society. I've been around long enough to know that MOST people are GOOD PEOPLE, unless you act like a doormat and don't run your business correctly, you probably will be able to make things go very smooth. I wouldn't just say all Christian labels don't feel like they should pay for things that they purchase and use though. I wouldn't throw out the entire carton because of one cracked egg.
Fenris Wulf. wrote on Thu, 18 May 2006 19:28 |
Why doncha go and accuse him of being a crypto-pagan devil worshipper who is plotting to bring back the Colloseum and throw Christians to the lions.
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No way, I don't know what he wrote, I don't know who he is and I don't speak like that anyway.
Fenris Wulf. wrote on Thu, 18 May 2006 19:28 |
In this business, you have to be a hard-ass or you will get RAPED by all the sleazebags out there and you will go bankrupt.
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I think it's painfully obvious that you are the last person who should be giving out business advise or telling it like it is. Some people don't get "RAPED" or have to be a "hard-ass". I just set my fee and I never work for free and grown year over year for the past 6 years.
Fenris Wulf. wrote on Thu, 18 May 2006 19:28 |
Get the stick out of your ass, get Dr. Dre's dick out of your mouth, and stop living in a utopian fantasy world.
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Wow - I guess I didn't read that correcly til just now. I felt like I made some serious points about how your stereotypes and generalizations offended myself and others.
It offends me because this is what I work with EVERYDAY - it's what I do for a living. You do need to know that what you write is very insulting on a personal level and you can't just run away from it by saying that "oh well this one song by this one rapper was just as bad."
In your lack of understanding of the genre you don't even realize that I don't talk like that or record content like that. Neither do most people!