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Tidewater

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Re: "Can anybody play the drums?"
« Reply #30 on: March 31, 2006, 07:39:02 am »

Every Picture is one of my most favorite songs of all time. I love that song. It makes me happy for the rest of the day.


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Re: "Can anybody play the drums?"
« Reply #31 on: April 05, 2006, 11:22:53 am »

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But one of the other things that makes me say that rock is dead, is taht I'm not hearing the quality of songwriting that you will find from start to finish on the aforementioned albums


It really shouldn't suprise anyone. What form of pop music has gone on to forge new grounds generation after generation as they did during the height of it's popularity? None really. From classical music to jazz, blues, latin.... the list goes on. The art forms get explored close to their limits during the height of their popularity. Once in awhile a new artist comes out and puts a twist on things and you get a short lived revivial, but it goes back to the classics. Orchestras still earn their bread and butter playing the classics - same thing in jazz, and blues is mostly there.

In rock, there's just no room (or need) for twenty new releases a year - it's been covered and gone through most of it's movements and sub catagories. It's passion and genus spoke to a different generation. If no new rock songs were ever written again, we'd do fine with the existing catalogue.

The only demad left is for a band young kids could relate to and hero worship, buy their t-shirts and cd's, and put their posters on the walls, until they grow out of it. We don't need new rock tunes, we put them out there simply to facilitate merchandizing and advertizing for a certain demographic.

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Re: "Can anybody play the drums?"
« Reply #32 on: April 05, 2006, 06:31:35 pm »



Man, reading those lists of tunes from 1971 literally brings tears to my eyes... what a wonderful time in history.. I miss the hell out of it!

Oh yeah... what about Dark Side of The Moon.... around that time I recall?

I am currently working on a project that takes "inspiration" from that era, and I have found true joy in the studio because of it... Re-living the feeling that started me on the path to recording...  Hopefully there will be a retro movement of that period.  Keep up the good work JJ, you are raising awareness!
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Re: "Can anybody play the drums?"
« Reply #33 on: April 05, 2006, 10:17:15 pm »

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Hopefully there will be a retro movement of that period.


More and more I believe that lyrical content that speaks to the generation is going to be the deciding factor of whether or not new versions of the genre will have any revelance.
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« Reply #34 on: April 05, 2006, 11:00:20 pm »

I am doing a very retro 1973 record.  Now we just have to see if label idiots get it.  The last A&R type I met with liked the music but thought the band was "too old".  I pointed out that the Dorkness weren't exactly young guys, and why the fuck does age matter anyway?
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Re: "Can anybody play the drums?"
« Reply #35 on: April 06, 2006, 09:54:28 am »

I've never met a listener/consumer/fan who thought the age of the band mattered... but (often aging) A&R weasels do.

I really do think it's because deep inside they are desperately afraid that THEY are out of touch with the marketplace and so they're quick to call others "too old"
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Re: "Can anybody play the drums?"
« Reply #36 on: April 06, 2006, 12:28:41 pm »

1971 was when 16 track came into full bloom however most of the artists had been signed during 4 and 8 track days. At that time there wasn't a lot you could do to fix bad performances without spending a fortune so you had to be pretty good in order to be considered worth recording.

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Re: "Can anybody play the drums?"
« Reply #37 on: April 07, 2006, 08:06:33 am »

We were much younger in 1971 so this is a factor.  I am a lot more jaded since then.  Young punks in bands don't have the ability to awe me like they did when I was 8 years old.  once that happens, I am not sure the perspective can be judged equally.
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« Reply #38 on: April 07, 2006, 10:48:28 am »

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I've never met a listener/consumer/fan who thought the age of the band mattered... but (often aging) A&R weasels do.


I'd like to think that too at 41 years old  Very Happy But as my publisher friend reminded me, people my age don't buy many records - and when they do, it's mostly older stuff.

Rock & Roll was never just about the music. It was also about the attitude, the times, and very rebelious in nature. Sure you can find some 60 year old hippies who smoke pot and still hate "the man", but you have to admit - it's a harder sell to the buying public  Laughing
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« Reply #39 on: April 07, 2006, 05:23:00 pm »

hey all,

first post here for me and i'm gonna be a brave little brass monkey.

to all of you who proclaim that rock and roll is dead i say bollocks.

it's alive and kicking for people like me.

in fairness, i am 23, so with all due respect, just because you've tired of it now that you're in your 40's doesn't mean that it doesn't still mean the world to someone else.

it is probable that '71 was just about the pinnacle of rock and roll's golden age, but this still remains to be proven unequivocally, which will take many more years than you and perhaps even i will see.

you don't think bands like the kings of leon, the zutons, the white stripes, the muggs, razorlight, the strokes, dfa 1979, etc. have any real rock and roll in them? you don't think it pumps through their veins just as hot as it did yours all those years ago?

well give us pups a break, it's a very different world we're growing up in and trying to give it all up in or haven't you noticed? there's been a lot of shite in the past 25 years that we're trying to scrub away from our impressionable music-making instincts... and how much of that shite might some of you fine old gents have had a hand in producing?

i live in dublin, ireland and there is a healthy rock and roll scene here these days. check out bands like humanzi, the things, the immediate, the mighty stef, the urges and my own current pride and joy the heathens (we're all on myspace btw)

if you think we're all full of shite then shite is what you see and shite is what you hear which is your problem and for shame, you have my deepest sympathies.

rock and fucking roll,

regards,

richie.

(apologies for such a rant on my first post, but rock and roll means a lot to me, more than the rest of what i could do with my life, so that being pissed on by guys in their 40s who've just plain had enough got my balls in a right knot. and it's friday night and pissing rain and i'm too broke to be out in the pub with the lads in the band so what do you expect? YMMV eh?)
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Re: balls to the wall, brass for the fall
« Reply #40 on: April 07, 2006, 08:14:49 pm »

Thanks for bringing it, Richie.  That's what rock and roll is about.
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Re: balls to the wall, brass for the fall
« Reply #41 on: April 08, 2006, 08:38:42 am »

hey richie turn that passion into music and shut up any naysayers you encounter through sheer rock and roll willpower. Twisted Evil
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« Reply #42 on: April 08, 2006, 12:14:16 pm »

i'm workin on it!

I'M WORKIN ON IT!

i only play the drums right now but i'm starting the bass on monday. yes really, monday!

i would love some feedback on our tunes i've recorded so far on my fledgling rig, available at http://www.myspace.com/theheathensmusic either from a musical or a technical (recording/mixing) perspective. be sure to download the "high quality mp3s" (oxymoron or what) because the myspace streaming player sounds terrible.

and by the way, no, not just anybody can play the drums!

regards,

richie.
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Re: balls to the wall, brass for the fall
« Reply #43 on: April 08, 2006, 12:27:18 pm »

just listened to a bit of changing ways and i gotta say it really has a good edge to it, and i am not easily swayed to compliment indy shit.  you guys have a shot at making something people will want to listen to.  i hate shitty production but that is because i am a jaded old bastard.  this stuff a bit cleaner would probably rock.  hire wwittman for 10 g's a pop. Shocked
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« Reply #44 on: April 08, 2006, 01:51:56 pm »

thnaks man,

much appreciated.

you should check out the other two tunes, they are both stronger songs in my opinion, more to them musically.

i know the production aint perfect, but like i said, i did it all myself on less than stellar gear in less than stellar rooms and in less than ideal working conditions (deadlines, etc.)

i'm just starting out and am learning all the time.

i'm really hoping to upgrade my preamps and converters ASAP.

thanks again though,

and, eh, ROCK AND ROLL!

*ahem*

regards,

richie.
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