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Author Topic: Do you guys ever use a 1176 or MC77 in the mastering phase??  (Read 6664 times)

Bubba--Kron

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Do you guys ever use a 1176 or MC77 in the mastering phase??
« on: April 05, 2011, 07:57:48 pm »

Do these compressor ever find themselves on the mix bus or strapped over a final mix??

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Re: Do you guys ever use a 1176 or MC77 in the mastering phase??
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2011, 12:17:32 am »

I've never used one, but also never considered one for mastering as I always imagined they would be far too "grabby".

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Re: Do you guys ever use a 1176 or MC77 in the mastering phase??
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2011, 12:26:40 pm »

Do these compressor ever find themselves on the mix bus or strapped over a final mix??
"Back in the day" an 1176 with a Westrex faceplate and Logo came with every Scully/Westrex cutting system. I think I remember Columbia Records using LA-3as during the 1970s.

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Re: Do you guys ever use a 1176 or MC77 in the mastering phase??
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2011, 10:26:24 am »

The Peak Limiter of an 1178 can be useful at times, but passing thru the device generally brings along more color than desired.

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Re: Do you guys ever use a 1176 or MC77 in the mastering phase??
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2011, 12:43:25 pm »

"Back in the day" an 1176 with a Westrex faceplate and Logo came with every Scully/Westrex cutting system. I think I remember Columbia Records using LA-3as during the 1970s.

I noticed when I visited Robert Speiden's former studio that the only comps he was using for his vinyl mastering path were a pair of 1176's.  Doug Sax had some highly modified LA2's in his lathe room when I visited the Master Lab last December,

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Re: Do you guys ever use a 1176 or MC77 in the mastering phase??
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2011, 03:59:25 pm »

Slightly OT, but I've always wondered what a couple of vintage UA176's would sound like on the buss...
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Re: Do you guys ever use a 1176 or MC77 in the mastering phase??
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2011, 04:33:12 pm »

but passing thru the device generally brings along more color than desired.

And noise. That would be the biggest problem IMO.
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Re: Do you guys ever use a 1176 or MC77 in the mastering phase??
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2011, 04:10:42 am »

There are no rules, if one must, one will ..
But, it won’t be a choice I’d make. Nor, are they clean enough for my taste, but, they do possesses that certain grit sound. I can see why the Vinyl guys use them to push towards the event horizon.

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Re: Do you guys ever use a 1176 or MC77 in the mastering phase??
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2011, 10:33:57 am »

... I can see why the Vinyl guys use them to push towards the event horizon...
Actually I don't remember seeing any "Vinyl guys" actually use one for major label work but they did come with the Westrex cutting system. Of course I also never saw anybody do a major label project using a Neumann cutting system that wasn't modified extensively to clean up the sound.

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Re: Do you guys ever use a 1176 or MC77 in the mastering phase??
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2011, 12:02:46 pm »

Of course I also never saw anybody do a major label project using a Neumann cutting system that wasn't modified extensively to clean up the sound.

I have an SP75 from Columbia. It was essentially stock when I got it. The only thing that was changed was an active driver for the monitors instead of the stock transformer. The transfer path was stock. I know many drive racks that are stock and in places that do/did major label work. If changing a cap is a mod I'd agree but otherwise I wouldn't.
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Re: Do you guys ever use a 1176 or MC77 in the mastering phase??
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2011, 02:01:33 pm »

I agree with Paul.  fwiw - the DMM cutting system at Europadisk was essentially stock.  On the East Coast I think the general philosophy in cutting studios coming out via Gotham Audio was to keep the Neumann gear maintained to original spec - versus West Coast where you had more tinkerers with things like Doug Sax's AM32's using custom built suspensions and custom tube amps or David Manley's freaky hybrid Neumann/Scully.  I believe there was a move at Sterling Sound at some point by Chris Muth to eliminate transformers from the transfer path in the cutting amps - and there were a few VMS-82's converted to lacquer cutting from DMM - but I honestly think besides updating caps, or changing some components in SAL74's to SAL74b spec, for the most part Neumann systems in the East Coast studios were kept to stock specs.

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