j.hall wrote on Mon, 27 February 2006 21:08 |
ivan40 wrote on Sat, 25 February 2006 15:20 | Anything that generates forward motion in music is cool with me.
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that's an awesome attitude to have! good post Ivan!
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morningstar wrote: And I still want to know when music stopped being about talent.
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we can all point the finger at autotune, beat detective, sound replacer, the ability to punch in, copy and paste, multi-track. but all that is technology improving the speed at which we can do our jobs as engineers.
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To me, the argument is how do you use the technology? Do you spend hours tuning a vocal to make it sound good, meanwhile sucking all the life out of it, when the guy can't even sing? Or do you slap autotune on a couple of lines to keep a great performance for the whole song?
I regularly loop sections of a song. Why spend forever pissing yourself and the player off dropping in endlessly when you can just grab the first chorus and drop it on the 2nd???
It's pointless not using the technology because of some kind of stigma attached with it. It's obvious when someone can play or not.
j.hall wrote on Mon, 27 February 2006 21:08 |
the real answer is......as soon as music became a product that was mass marketed to a specific demographic. from that point forward, it's been a slippery slope to simply feed the machine what it wants, regardless of quality.......it's all about quantity and that age old top seller......sex.
and this is aperfect example of why indie rock is a movement, a way of life.....not just about bands that are unsigned.
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This is why I hated most of my university course. It was more orientated on the business people then us techies.
It was all why people will dress a certain way and buy a certain type of music.
For people who want to be A&R or publishing people, or whatever, it's great. I'm an engineer. It doesn't matter what the fuck it is, it's gotta sound good, or, more importantly, like the client wants it. I even told the lecturer that. She left me alone after that.
My job is done by the time someone decides which genre it is.
I did the course because I wanted to understand the business of music better. I do now. I just like it even less.
I also wanted a degree. One year was painless enough.
I work for a studio in Scotland. I do whatever comes through the door. I like working with rock bands. Most of the techniques are based on that fact. It's just the best way of capturing anything for me. I started doing rock. That's why I hang out here. You guys talk my language.
A huge part of my workload is trad Scottish music. At least they can keep their instruments in good condition and can play, mostly anyways. Better than fixing the intonation on the 4th bass of the week.
To methough, putting music in a pigeon hole is bullshit.
It's music.
It either sucks or it doesn't.
I'm sure most of you guys feel the same. I accept that making a living out of the music you love and have devoted your life to changes things a bit. I guess this is more a fans topic than an engineers topic though.
It is just music though. I try and capture what they're doing to the best of my abillity's.
Kinda went on a ramble there. Whoops. Sorry guys.
Iain
Edit to add that indie rock is the same but different over here, so I've got no clue about most of the bands ya'll are talking about.
P.S. anyone know which track "Mr Beast" is on the Mogwai album of the same name? (Don't ask)