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John Ivan

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Re: New to the forum and looking to start trouble..... Indie Rock???
« Reply #45 on: February 25, 2006, 04:20:41 pm »

Fabricoh35 wrote on Fri, 24 February 2006 21:37

Morningstar, I give you something to check out.  Go listen to Archers of Loaf (old) and then Crooked Fingers (new).  Same guys fronts both bands.

Let me know what you think.  I don't want to influence your thoughts so I won't say anymore.

Eric knew what was coming back on the Vee Vee album when he sang "the underground is overcrowded".



This is a very interesting thread and I'm glad I read it.

It has always puzzled me as well. I don't care what the label might be on any given record or whether it's called indie or mainstream. I just dig music so, if there's a group of musicians and engineers that have this thing called indie, great!

I think J-Hall is right on when he says it's a way to communicate. I know what people mean when they say, "Jazz" although, people are butchering this term more and more, those of us who are jazz lovers know it when we hear it. Right?

I used to sorta raz folks who talked about Indie or being indie but have come around to seeing that it means something to them. That's very important! They know each other and there's a scene there that really IS different from all the rest of the stuff out there.

Now, when it comes to musical taste,I don't really dig most stuff I've heard called indie but I haven't heard nearly the amount I need to, to make a judgement that is sweeping.

I think back on the music the really moved me and it was all soul r&b, jazz,blues, funk and certain rock bands. So, maybe there's some great stuff like that happening in what is known as the "Indie" world.

Look, if this term is somehow bringing like minded folks together to express themselves through music,all one line jokes aside about being indie,, I think it rules. Anything that generates forward motion in music is cool with me.

Here's a band I dig a lot From Flint MI/.

http://www.funkilinium.com/
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Re: New to the forum and looking to start trouble..... Indie Rock???
« Reply #46 on: February 25, 2006, 07:47:12 pm »

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And I still want to know when music stopped being about talent.
when it became easy with click of a button to make people sound talented? There is a lot less of this in "indie" circles, which is maybe why you hear people who you think can't sing =)

And J, thank you for reminding me about the sunny day record with the fly on it. haven't heard that album in a while and it rocks (morning star will LOVE his voice).

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Re: New to the forum and looking to start trouble..... Indie Rock???
« Reply #47 on: February 26, 2006, 01:41:53 pm »

check out the gossip too. beth ditto can sing like a mofo.

http://www.gossipyouth.com/

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Re: New to the forum and looking to start trouble..... Indie Rock???
« Reply #48 on: February 26, 2006, 10:07:04 pm »

indie? vocal talent? attitude? innovative?

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Re: New to the forum and looking to start trouble..... Indie Rock???
« Reply #49 on: February 27, 2006, 09:40:30 am »

Fabricoh35 wrote on Fri, 24 February 2006 20:37


Eric knew what was coming back on the Vee Vee album when he sang "the underground is overcrowded".


Indeed he did... I love that record. I saw Archers on that tour with The Poster Children and Orbit for $5 and it remains to be in the top 5 of my all time favorite shows... I was 14 and that was one of those shows that changed my perspective and pointed me in the 'right' direction.
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Re: New to the forum and looking to start trouble..... Indie Rock???
« Reply #50 on: February 27, 2006, 04:08:19 pm »

ivan40 wrote on Sat, 25 February 2006 15:20

Anything that generates forward motion in music is cool with me.



that's an awesome attitude to have!  good post Ivan!

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And I still want to know when music stopped being about talent.



we can all point the finger at autotune, beat detective, sound replacer, the ability to punch in, copy and paste, multi-track.  but all that is technology improving the speed at which we can do our jobs as engineers.

the real answer is......as soon as music became a product that was mass marketed to a specific demographic.  from that point forward, it's been a slippery slope to simply feed the machine what it wants, regardless of quality.......it's all about quantity and that age old top seller......sex.

and this is aperfect example of why indie rock is a movement, a way of life.....not just about bands that are unsigned.
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Re: New to the forum and looking to start trouble..... Indie Rock???
« Reply #51 on: February 27, 2006, 04:18:58 pm »

so i have a question.

since i'm the moderator, and i created the focus and direction of this forum, i'm curious.

is my own band "indie rock"

i'd like to hear some honest thoughts.  do i "practice what i preach"

http://www.thesecretclubhouse.com/

http://www.myspace.com/secretclub

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Re: New to the forum and looking to start trouble..... Indie Rock???
« Reply #52 on: February 27, 2006, 04:30:33 pm »

j.hall wrote on Mon, 27 February 2006 15:18

so i have a question.

since i'm the moderator, and i created the focus and direction of this forum, i'm curious.

is my own band "indie rock"

i'd like to hear some honest thoughts.  do i "practice what i preach"

http://www.thesecretclubhouse.com/

http://www.myspace.com/secretclub




it is...
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Re: New to the forum and looking to start trouble..... Indie Rock???
« Reply #53 on: February 27, 2006, 04:56:24 pm »

j.hall wrote on Mon, 27 February 2006 16:18

so i have a question.

since i'm the moderator, and i created the focus and direction of this forum, i'm curious.

is my own band "indie rock"

i'd like to hear some honest thoughts.  do i "practice what i preach"

http://www.thesecretclubhouse.com/

http://www.myspace.com/secretclub




ok. I would say that it is. This is what I think of when someone says indie rock. but this is coming from the uninitiated

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Re: New to the forum and looking to start trouble..... Indie Rock???
« Reply #54 on: February 27, 2006, 05:01:21 pm »

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i'd like to hear some honest thoughts. do i "practice what i preach"


yeah, it's definitely indie in a midwest sorta way.

interestingly, a lot of those KC/champaigne bands can sound pretty 'slick' sometimes, which might throw you off if you never saw any of those bands playing a dive with 30 other people..
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Re: New to the forum and looking to start trouble..... Indie Rock???
« Reply #55 on: February 27, 2006, 05:49:56 pm »

j.hall wrote on Mon, 27 February 2006 21:08

ivan40 wrote on Sat, 25 February 2006 15:20

Anything that generates forward motion in music is cool with me.



that's an awesome attitude to have!  good post Ivan!

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morningstar wrote:
And I still want to know when music stopped being about talent.



we can all point the finger at autotune, beat detective, sound replacer, the ability to punch in, copy and paste, multi-track.  but all that is technology improving the speed at which we can do our jobs as engineers.


To me, the argument is how do you use the technology? Do you spend hours tuning a vocal to make it sound good, meanwhile sucking all the life out of it, when the guy can't even sing? Or do you slap autotune on a couple of lines to keep a great performance for the whole song?

I regularly loop sections of a song. Why spend forever pissing yourself and the player off dropping in endlessly when you can just grab the first chorus and drop it on the 2nd???

It's pointless not using the technology because of some kind of stigma attached with it. It's obvious when someone can play or not.

j.hall wrote on Mon, 27 February 2006 21:08


the real answer is......as soon as music became a product that was mass marketed to a specific demographic.  from that point forward, it's been a slippery slope to simply feed the machine what it wants, regardless of quality.......it's all about quantity and that age old top seller......sex.

and this is aperfect example of why indie rock is a movement, a way of life.....not just about bands that are unsigned.


This is why I hated most of my university course. It was more orientated on the business people then us techies.

It was all why people will dress a certain way and buy a certain type of music.

For people who want to be A&R or publishing people, or whatever, it's great. I'm an engineer. It doesn't matter what the fuck it is, it's gotta sound good, or, more importantly, like the client wants it. I even told the lecturer that. She left me alone after that. Cool My job is done by the time someone decides which genre it is.

I did the course because I wanted to understand the business of music better. I do now. I just like it even less. Embarassed I also wanted a degree.  One year was painless enough.

I work for a studio in Scotland. I do whatever comes through the door. I like working with rock bands. Most of the techniques are based on that fact. It's just the best way of capturing anything for me. I started doing rock. That's why I hang out here. You guys talk my language.

A huge part of my workload is trad Scottish music. At least they can keep their instruments in good condition and can play, mostly anyways. Better than fixing the intonation on the 4th bass of the week.

To methough, putting music in a pigeon hole is bullshit.

It's music.

It either sucks or it doesn't.

I'm sure most of you guys feel the same. I accept that making a living out of the music you love and have devoted your life to changes things a bit. I guess this is more a fans topic than an engineers topic though. Very Happy

It is just music though. I try and capture what they're doing to the best of my abillity's.

Kinda went on a ramble there. Whoops. Sorry guys.

Iain

Edit to add that indie rock is the same but different over here, so I've got no clue about most of the bands ya'll are talking about.  

P.S. anyone know which track "Mr Beast" is on the Mogwai album of the same name? (Don't ask)
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Re: New to the forum and looking to start trouble..... Indie Rock???
« Reply #56 on: February 27, 2006, 06:28:24 pm »

j.hall wrote on Mon, 27 February 2006 16:18

is my own band "indie rock"


I do think The Secret Club is Indie.  



However, my opinion isn't probably worth the electrons used to display it though as I often wonder if I know what indie rock is myself.

I asked my wife (who is a kick ass musician btw) and she said she thought indie meant your band isn't signed and you're selling your music yourself.  I think this is probably the most common description/perception of indie even though it's like calling a disease by a symptom's name.

If someone asks me, I try mis-direction, so I don't have to show my ignorance, and just say: "attitude, not the music, defines indie rock".  

Not giving a crap about talent, especially vocal talent, must also have something to do with it.  (I'm going to get killed for the following statement:) I think Fugazi is a poster child for not giving a crap about what people think.  If they had a singer that sang instead of yelling/screaming with little attention to tune, they'd be bigger than U2.  (Listen to the Destiny's Child/Fugazi mashup I posted a while back if you don't believe me)  I'd put good money down that Fugazi is well aware of this and that they continue to do what they do because that's what they want to do, and couldn't give a fu** about what record companies or anyone else cares.  

(After saying that, I'm sure my indie club application has been denied, shredded, burnt, and denied again for good measure!)
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Re: New to the forum and looking to start trouble..... Indie Rock???
« Reply #57 on: February 27, 2006, 07:38:50 pm »

There are only two kinds of music...   good music and bad music.

Having an opinion is a privelage.

We can all sit here and argue what is and isn't indie to us.   That's relative to our own personal prefrences and opinions.   J and I both like the Counting Crows and they are not considered to be 'indie'.   We just like them because we like them and we have our own personal reasons for liking them.

So, because we like a certain band or don't like a certain band, does that make us more or less indie?   I like Sunny Day Real Estate and Fugazi because I heard them and liked what I heard.   So, because I like those bands, does that make me indie...   apparently not...   I like other bands that are too mainstream and they take away my 'indie points''???  I think this is the confusion that MorningStar is getting at.

The Promise Rong and Sense Field played a show near me and I went to check them out with a friend back in the late 90's and I liked both bands.   I even dug Davy's whole lisp pitchy vocals...   because I believed every word coming out of his mouth.   He meant it and that's more important than anything to me IMO.

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Re: New to the forum and looking to start trouble..... Indie Rock???
« Reply #58 on: February 27, 2006, 09:27:02 pm »

TheViking wrote on Mon, 27 February 2006 19:38

There are only two kinds of music...   good music and bad music.

Having an opinion is a privelage.

We can all sit here and argue what is and isn't indie to us.   That's relative to our own personal prefrences and opinions.   J and I both like the Counting Crows and they are not considered to be 'indie'.   We just like them because we like them and we have our own personal reasons for liking them.

So, because we like a certain band or don't like a certain band, does that make us more or less indie?   I like Sunny Day Real Estate and Fugazi because I heard them and liked what I heard.   So, because I like those bands, does that make me indie...   apparently not...   I like other bands that are too mainstream and they take away my 'indie points''???  I think this is the confusion that MorningStar is getting at.

The Promise Rong and Sense Field played a show near me and I went to check them out with a friend back in the late 90's and I liked both bands.   I even dug Davy's whole lisp pitchy vocals...   because I believed every word coming out of his mouth.   He meant it and that's more important than anything to me IMO.




uh oh- I dont think your allowed in here...

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Re: New to the forum and looking to start trouble..... Indie Rock???
« Reply #59 on: February 27, 2006, 09:42:41 pm »

TheViking wrote on Mon, 27 February 2006 19:38

There are only two kinds of music...   good music and bad music.

Having an opinion is a privelage.

We can all sit here and argue what is and isn't indie to us.   That's relative to our own personal prefrences and opinions.   J and I both like the Counting Crows and they are not considered to be 'indie'.   We just like them because we like them and we have our own personal reasons for liking them.

So, because we like a certain band or don't like a certain band, does that make us more or less indie?   I like Sunny Day Real Estate and Fugazi because I heard them and liked what I heard.   So, because I like those bands, does that make me indie...   apparently not...   I like other bands that are too mainstream and they take away my 'indie points''???  I think this is the confusion that MorningStar is getting at.

The Promise Rong and Sense Field played a show near me and I went to check them out with a friend back in the late 90's and I liked both bands.   I even dug Davy's whole lisp pitchy vocals...   because I believed every word coming out of his mouth.   He meant it and that's more important than anything to me IMO.




So I guess we're not working on an indie rock record together??
I think it is, but what do i know?? Can a real rock record be indie-?
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