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Author Topic: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?  (Read 9741 times)

subvert

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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2011, 09:14:26 am »

More news (and hopefully some pics.) as and when.

Look forward to it Nigel - last pics I saw were bare shell with some workman who'd caught they twinkling eye of your local OAP community...

PBM are you a distributor or something or getting a cut, every other post is about the
MLA-3. 4 people on the planet use them and they wax lyrical, it's the the tri band compression illuminati or something, lol.

 ::)

I seem to remember you taking an equally negative view about PMC loudspeakers.......




Until you bought a pair...
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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2011, 10:45:01 am »

Look forward to it Nigel - last pics I saw were bare shell with some workman who'd caught they twinkling eye of your local OAP community...

That's right, Ben, ladies of a certain age living in Essex were positively bereft when the build finished.
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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2011, 02:03:33 am »

I think the availability of every piece (or plug in) of equipement for cheap is destroying part of the music (and the bizz). In the good old days you learned your console inside out while nowadays I'm still figuring out how my Trakkers work (I own them since 8 years or so but I also bought loads of other stuff ...)
Now think about a teenager with a computer rig - within a blink of an eye he got a 160 channel, 48bus, every EQ known to mankind and the biggest tape recorder ever built with all the autotune and time cutting possibilites ... how should that teenager learn to craft a pleasing sonic experience out of an SM57? - way too many variables IMVHO ... but I'm still sure every now and then a teenager might succed - those guys are pretty stubborn   ;D
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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2011, 10:22:44 am »

I think that the main problem is that most do not read books, study, research.
They want fast results, every project meets insane deadlines, no pre-production, small budgets.
Poor arrangements, weak musicians, bad acoustics and here we go...
Add all this and we have a pile of reasons to justify why most of the stuff released today sounds so bad.
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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2011, 12:13:12 pm »

Add all this and we have a pile of reasons to justify why most of the stuff released today sounds so bad.

We're all going to grow old grumpily lamenting the state of music and trying to teach our children and others of a younger generation that 'things weren't always this way....'
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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2011, 02:48:15 pm »

I'm working with a 25-year-old Russian producer who's turning out music that sounds as if someone twice that age was at the helm, with all the maturity and musicality you could wish for. While he enjoys all the bells and whistles at the good studio where he's based, that's a relatively recent development. He's used to getting by with much less while achieving results on a similar level, proof for me if any were needed that it's the human element rather than the technological one that makes the difference.
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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2011, 04:16:50 pm »

We're all going to grow old grumpily lamenting the state of music and trying to teach our children and others of a younger generation that 'things weren't always this way....'

I find that exposing some younger audio/music people to hardware with good interfaces and workflow they start to slowly come over and the lust does begin.

everything is a tool. old and new need to always keep that in mind
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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2011, 07:06:19 am »

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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2011, 11:59:11 am »

I dunno.  Personally, I've never been able to afford good equipment until recently, so in my case, having GAS is benefiting my recordings. 

I will say that when I'm shopping for a specific piece i need (whether a mic pre or compressor or something), sometimes I spend too much time focusing on the shopping, than the music making.  But once the proper piece is accurately chosen and acquired, it's always a benefit. :)
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« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2011, 09:48:46 pm »

As to the fetishizing over gear- although inherent to many technology-based crafts, I dont think it destroys the craftsmanship per se. It is true(im speaking only of my experience) that it tends to drag my focus from the task at hand. Instead of trying to focus my energy on helping something become more expressive, I tend to waste time wishing i had gear I'm probably never gonna be able to afford.

We have a saying in my country that it's not the bow but the Indian behind the bow. That said, attitudes towards the bow can greatly influence it's use.

Peace.
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« Reply #25 on: May 05, 2011, 10:55:36 am »

I also hear it in mixing.

Over emphasis in applying trendy gear, forgetting to make a nice open spacious mix.

Skill of the engineer is a far bigger asset than what's in the rack.

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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2011, 06:10:55 pm »

We were just discussing today how cool it was when all we had was a Sontec and An OE-Duo (neumann eq) and a NTP compressor.  It still sounds fantastic.

Gear isn't as much at fault as indecision.

PG has it so right i think.  I read a book about a master wood craftsman.  He used his chisel for everything.  Turning screws, opening cans, cutting the heads off small bolts... but when he needed it sharp for just the right detail job - he pulled out his stone and put a perfect edge on it every time.   The tool wasn't precious, the craft was.   
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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2011, 07:46:32 pm »

I'm seeing this first hand. and YES.  I think it maybe making a lot bands calling it quits ealry too because they can't get a decent recording from anybody. 

In part because people don't take the time to focus on every aspect of preamp, mic, console or whatever and somehow expect all these awesome brand names to do the job for them.   Another reason because they might put so much focus on their gear and not there studio's acoustic improvement and signal chain.   

True Story, I know a younger guy who has all the top notch mics and preamps I'll only dream about getting. (Mojaves sm 7b, 421,2 UA LA610s, Avalon whatever, 16track tascam reel to reel, pro tools HD2...and a ton of other stuff production related.  It's really sad and I think he feels overwhelmed with all this stuff he has to take on to be a legitimate engineer.   He has had trouble turning his project studio into an active business because he has cranked out some mixes that are really really rough and he may be unaware of the fact.  I am pretty sure he doesn't know how to use a simple compressor plugin on drums but loves making the LA610 "do the work for him" by pumping kicks, snares and vocals to hell. 

I helped him switch from cubase to pro tools HD for a couple of days and he had some signal chain issue with his monitors.  Crazy noise was making it into his monitors because he ran the D/A output through this pretty big console and then finally out to his 3 pairs of monitors...
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