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[ammitsboel]

I would like to do it again with ftp files.

[bblackwood]

ammitsboel wrote on Fri, 27 January 2006 08:37

I would like to do it again with ftp files.

I have a hardware unit and the native version as well - we need another hardware unit (or more) and someone with a TDM rig. Which do you have, Henrik?

[Jeff Baggett]

I have both hardware and tdm.

[Ronny]

ammitsboel wrote on Fri, 27 January 2006 06:38

I'm convinced that math is not the only reason for the differences between the software and the hardware version. Another thing is that digital hardware has a warm up time just as analog hardware.

What the problem is, is those damn zero's won't warm up as fast as the one's. When they design gear that only uses one's instead of zero's, we won't have to warm up software anymore.

Next problem, I'm in a rectifying mood today.      

[Trillium Sound]

Ronny wrote on Fri, 27 January 2006 12:20

ammitsboel wrote on Fri, 27 January 2006 06:38 I'm convinced that math is not the only reason for the differences between the software and the hardware version. Another thing is that digital hardware has a warm up time just as analog hardware. When they design gear that only uses one's instead of zero's, we won't have to warm up software anymore.

Does that mean that we'll need to get rid of our "heatsink" plugins?

[greg charles]

bblackwood wrote on Thu, 26 January 2006 19:37

bigaudioblowhard wrote on Thu, 26 January 2006 20:43 Playing back the files from Sonic it was obvious to me the hardware was better sounding. Clearer, punchier, wider, deeper, heck it just sounded louder. Did you null test the files? I tested the native version vs hardware a few years ago and they did not null. I haven't tried it with the TDM (48 bit) version, though iirc someone did it a few years ago and achieved a perfect null...

For my benefit could you explain "null" in detail?  I think I know what you might be doing, but I'm not exactly sure.

Educate me.

[bblackwood]

greg charles wrote on Fri, 27 January 2006 12:26

For my benefit could you explain "null" in detail?  I think I know what you might be doing, but I'm not exactly sure. Educate me.

Sure, you just stake two files and invert the polarity on one of them. Line them up (sample accurate) and see what results - if they null, they are data-identical...

[Ronny]

You have to sum the original and the inverted polarity copy back together, if they null you'll see no waveform amplitude on a waveform graph and if you are listening by ear, you'll hear nothing, when both play summed. It's important as Brad mentioned to make sure that they are sample accurate, because doing this in real time, latency can cause phasing, which will not null and give you a bad read when indeed they may null and there are no true differences when sample for sample on the timeline.  

[ammitsboel]

I have a modified hardware unit.

[TotalSonic]

bblackwood wrote on Fri, 27 January 2006 12:42

ammitsboel wrote on Fri, 27 January 2006 05:38: Another thing is that digital hardware has a warm up time just as analog hardware. Oh boy...

Henrik might be right about this.  I'd say the warm up time is probably about 1 second max though  

Best regards,
Steve Berson

[TotalSonic]

ammitsboel wrote on Fri, 27 January 2006 21:06

I have a modified hardware unit.

Mods to just improve the grounding?  Or on the converters?

Best regards,
Steve Berson

[ammitsboel]

TotalSonic wrote on Fri, 27 January 2006 22:15

ammitsboel wrote on Fri, 27 January 2006 21:06 I have a modified hardware unit. Mods to just improve the grounding?  Or on the converters?

You wouldn't understand anyway.

[bblackwood]

ammitsboel wrote on Fri, 27 January 2006 16:03

TotalSonic wrote on Fri, 27 January 2006 22:15 ammitsboel wrote on Fri, 27 January 2006 21:06 I have a modified hardware unit. Mods to just improve the grounding?  Or on the converters? You wouldn't understand anyway.

That answer doesn't stand.

What mods have you done?

[TotalSonic]

ammitsboel wrote on Fri, 27 January 2006 22:03

TotalSonic wrote on Fri, 27 January 2006 22:15 ammitsboel wrote on Fri, 27 January 2006 21:06 I have a modified hardware unit. Mods to just improve the grounding?  Or on the converters? You wouldn't understand anyway.

wtf????  Try me Henrik.  I'm certainly not the most technically savvy of all the posters on this board but I do know a thing or two - and I don't appreciate "mystery" when it's done only for the sake of condescension or obfuscation.

so - if it isn't for either of those two things -
Are you saying you've done things to mod the DSP routines???

p.s. putting a Shakti stone on top of your L2, or having it sit on specially made C37 coated maple spikes, or having it blessed by a Santero priest does not constitute a "mod" - just a "tweak"

Best regards,
Steve Berson  

[Bob Boyd]

Well I, for one, put little shakti stones on all of the internal wires.

http://www.shakti-innovations.com/audiovideo.htm

Oh, and all of my internal AES is modified for bi-wire.