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andybeemusic

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best analog stereo de-esser for vinyl mastering ?
« on: January 08, 2006, 11:51:27 am »

Hello!
I'm looking for a very good sounding deesser to protect my
cutting head and of course for loud cuts. Rolling Eyes
There are not very much (analog) deessers available nowadays...
Ive seen, that drawmer has one (MX50), anybody heard this one?
There is several "vintage" gear (like the Ortofon STL 732)
but these ones are hard to find.... (BTW, if somebody has a 732 for sale.... Smile
What do the pros here think ?
Thanks for any help!
Andreas
PS: Im using Waves Deesser Plug at the moment....
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Re: best analog stereo de-esser for vinyl mastering ?
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2006, 11:56:15 am »

Maselec MPL-2
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Re: best analog stereo de-esser for vinyl mastering ?
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2006, 12:23:00 pm »

I used the Ortofon at Motown and it was great.

You might try setting the top band of the WAVES linear phase multiband to 5.5k with a fast manual attack and release. Be sure to bypass the other bands and always make sure that nothing can possibly overload the input of this particular plug-in.

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Re: best analog stereo de-esser for vinyl mastering ?
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2006, 12:52:26 pm »

Bob Olhsson wrote on Sun, 08 January 2006 12:23

You might try setting the top band of the WAVES linear phase multiband to 5.5k with a fast manual attack and release.


although i'll be trying your recommendation Bob, what I have been doing , is using the 4th band and try to tighten up the upper limit, leaving the above the sibilance stuff alone.

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Re: best analog stereo de-esser for vinyl mastering ?
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2006, 01:14:07 pm »

andybeemusic wrote on Sun, 08 January 2006 11:51

Hello!
I´m looking for a very good sounding deesser to protect my
cutting head and of course for loud cuts. Rolling Eyes
There are not very much (analog) deessers available nowadays...
Ive seen, that drawmer has one (MX50), anybody heard this one?
There is several "vintage" gear (like the Ortofon STL 732)
but these ones are hard to find.... (BTW, if somebody has a 732 for sale.... Smile
What do the pros here think ?
Thanks for any help!
Andreas
PS: Im using Waves Deesser Plug at the moment....



If it's analog, I hear the Maselec is the bees knees, recommended by my friend Michael Macdonald. But the best digital de-esser is the Weiss DS-1 Mk2. I've compared it with every plugin I can find and also the De-esser in the TC 6000, and the Weiss beats them all.

A good deesser should be:

----effective


----discriminating


----otherwise invisible.


The Weiss is the winner for me on those criteria. It's not perfect, there are audible compromises, but it is the one which excels at the above three criteria.
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Re: best analog stereo de-esser for vinyl mastering ?
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2006, 01:31:30 pm »

We aren't really talking about aesthetic de-essing where I agree about leaving the very top alone. For cutter protection, you really want to get it all out of there. Provided it isn't overloaded, I think the bypassed bands of the WAVES linear phase multiband do less harm to the rest of the signal than their de-essers do. In fact it's the only multiband I know of that's bit transparent when it isn't doing anything.

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Re: best analog stereo de-esser for vinyl mastering ?
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2006, 01:37:37 pm »

i've had some good results with the tubetech 3-band comp...

although it sometimes softens up the bottom end too much
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Re: best analog stereo de-esser for vinyl mastering ?
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2006, 01:52:57 pm »

The Neumann BTT74 accelleration limiter that is found as part of a lot of their later cutting racks worked wonders for me in terms of protection for the cutter head.  I can imagine it would be very hard to source them right now though.

If your budget is limited you might want to look into the BSS DPR402.  Heathmans uses this in their rooms and they come out with some of the hottest dance cuts that still sound great to my ear.

In terms of a plugin solution - the VST freeware Spitfish De-esser from Digital Fishphones - http://www.digitalfishphones.com/main.php?item=2&subItem =5 - works way better to my ear than the Waves one does.  In case you have some doubts as to whether freeware can work well -the author of Digital Fishphones stuff was hired by Magix to write code for Samplitude soon after making these plugs.

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Re: best analog stereo de-esser for vinyl mastering ?
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2006, 05:17:18 pm »

TotalSonic wrote on Sun, 08 January 2006 18:52


If your budget is limited you might want to look into the BSS DPR402.  Heathmans uses this in their rooms and they come out with some of the hottest dance cuts that still sound great to my ear.
In terms of a plugin solution - the VST freeware Spitfish De-esser from Digital Fishphones


I use this combination-so can vouch for it. Do I want the maselec? Absolutely. Leif's a great guy, give him a call, as he is quite willing to discuss his gear in person. That said, judicious use of the Spitfish and the DPR402, feeding the  Neumann acceleration limiter [I have the BSB74 and it needs to be set very low, it can be rather brutish to the sound] does all you need.


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Re: best analog stereo de-esser for vinyl mastering ?
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2006, 05:43:32 pm »

Just another option, the ADT audio U781module from their V700series.  I have two of these units in a stand alone rack and seriously think that it is head and shoulders above the BSS, Tube Tech, and the Maselec units as a de-esser, all of which I've used and consider good boxes.
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Re: best analog stereo de-esser for vinyl mastering ?
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2006, 09:52:59 pm »

The Orban 418A stereo limiter had selectable HF limiting - although really for the purpose of suiting tape EQ. I had used it only with the HF switched out, but it may be an option to try if you see one around.
I'm sure the Maselec would be the go, though. Probably much faster than the Orban too, at a guess..?
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Re: best analog stereo de-esser for vinyl mastering ?
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2006, 11:16:10 pm »

Adam Dempsey wrote on Mon, 09 January 2006 02:52

The Orban 418A stereo limiter had selectable HF limiting - although really for the purpose of suiting tape EQ. I had used it only with the HF switched out, but it may be an option to try if you see one around.
I'm sure the Maselec would be the go, though. Probably much faster than the Orban too, at a guess..?


fwiw -
We had an Orban 424 (compressor/limiter/de-esser) at Europadisk and I never used it in any of my mastering there as it just had no overhead and made everything sound flatter and grainy that I tried it on.  Perhaps with some modding it could work ok for you - but I think there are much better solutions available now.

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Re: best analog stereo de-esser for vinyl mastering ?
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2006, 02:58:21 am »

What about the SPL De-esser ?

http://www.spl-usa.com/DeEsser/in_short.html

I use it on vocals only and it's doin' a very good job!
Never tried it on full material to be honest  Smile

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Re: best analog stereo de-esser for vinyl mastering ?
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2006, 11:22:56 am »

I recently got the Maselec and no one wants to hear me talk about how good it is anymore. I tried it out six or so years ago and I completely missed the beauty of this box.
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Re: best analog stereo de-esser for vinyl mastering ?
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2006, 11:49:21 am »

I'll second the SPL De-esser and the Valley People 415 if you're looking for hardware stuff.
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