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henchman

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Re: Punk Rock ethic
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2006, 12:09:12 am »

Curve Dominant wrote on Tue, 20 December 2005 18:18

Ryan Moore wrote on Wed, 21 December 2005 00:47

 
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Punk rock and the independent music scene have together been more important than any other cultural influences since the birth of electric music.


Just grabbed the above quote from Steve to start this new thread,

That comment sure brings back memories,

I got a copy of  Sex Pistols Never Mind the Bullocks when I was in elementary school, a highly subversive present from one of my moms friends ...


The obvious problem being, that the Sex Pistols were that day's equivelent of what's become known as the "Boy Band," a creation of London producer/impressario Malcolm MacLaren.

Fun? Hell yes. Subversive? How ironic.



You need to rent the documentary about the sex psitols called "The Filth and the Fury". You'll see how utterly wrong you are.

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Re: Punk Rock ethic
« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2006, 03:16:12 am »

from my perspective, sex pistols had little to do with shaping my musical inspirations.  but it's all perspective.

stooges / bowie / ramones / television
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black flag / misfits / sonic youth / swans
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jesus lizard / big black / butthole surfers
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kelly clarkson???

So for my not being around then, the sex pistols and the clash didn't seem to affect the legacy of the music I love today.
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Re: Punk Rock ethic
« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2006, 04:48:33 am »

I was never a huge punk band fan although I've recorded a bunch of them. I always liked the drummer the best in punk bands because they were usually the ones who could actualy play and they had lots of energy. Of course they were mostly playing a polka beat. I think I would have enjoyed them more if they wore Lederhosen though to go along with the polka. I like Lederhosen and I like any band that wears them. Iregardless.
Of course there was some great punk music in Vancouver. DOA, Art Bergmann, No Means No, Family Plot, Animal Slaves, etc. I think Art Bergmann was my favorite. there's a guy who could really write great music.
Hey Ryan, did you consider Animal Slaves a punk band? Kind of an Art Punk Poetry Funk band I guess. You were great in that band BTW.
Punk today is just another kiddie pop formula to brainwash the little kiddies into thinking that if they buy some product then they'll be "rebels" and "different" just like everyone else.

"Talk - Action = 0"                    DOA
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henchman

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Re: Punk Rock ethic
« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2006, 03:05:09 pm »

canada wrote on Mon, 02 January 2006 00:16



So for my not being around then, the sex pistols and the clash didn't seem to affect the legacy of the music I love today.



You have no idea how influential both of those bands were.

Just becasue you weren't around, doesn't mean they're irrelevant.

I guess since you weren't around for the Beatles, they didn't affect the legacy of music either.

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Re: Punk Rock ethic
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2006, 03:48:18 pm »

Chris Thomas gave Pistols that giant wall of powerchords, several tracks, some tuned down ...wonderful sound ...definitely effected bands that followed.
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Re: Punk Rock ethic
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2006, 06:01:38 pm »

Punk rock is like opera and Dylan....
You either get it , or you don't.
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James Perrett

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Re: Punk Rock ethic
« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2006, 08:41:32 am »

You could say that Chris Thomas made the Sex Pistols sound more like a heavy metal band. Many of the best punk records were recorded at a small 8 track studio called Pathway in North London - for me, those records define the real sound of punk.

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Re: Punk Rock ethic
« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2006, 09:27:10 am »

I think the majority of people would remember "God Save the Queen" or "Pretty Vacant" before the likes of "New Rose" as the British Punk Sound. It's worth stating that the Sex Pistols as an entity under McClaren were as far from the Punk Ethic as Kelly Clarkson is. McClaren's impact is still felt today with bands like Babyshambles etc.
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Re: Punk Rock ethic
« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2006, 01:24:58 pm »

kraster wrote on Tue, 03 January 2006 06:27

I think the majority of people would remember "God Save the Queen" or "Pretty Vacant" before the likes of "New Rose" as the British Punk Sound. It's worth stating that the Sex Pistols as an entity under McClaren were as far from the Punk Ethic as Kelly Clarkson is. McClaren's impact is still felt today with bands like Babyshambles etc.


"People" remember what they liked at the time. It's pretty simple really.


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Re: Punk Rock ethic
« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2006, 03:29:27 pm »

henchman wrote on Mon, 02 January 2006 20:05


You have no idea how influential both of those bands were.

Just becasue you weren't around, doesn't mean they're irrelevant.

I guess since you weren't around for the Beatles, they didn't affect the legacy of music either.


No need to be so insulting.  If you re-read my post, you'll see that I mentioned "perspective" a couple times.  For me, I can't see a direct lineage from the Sex Pistols to Fugazi.  That doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
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Re: Punk Rock ethic
« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2006, 07:57:46 pm »

And, for the record, yes, she does have a Michael Jacksonish look.

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Re: Punk Rock ethic
« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2006, 09:52:28 pm »

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Re: Punk Rock ethic
« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2006, 04:44:58 am »

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You could say that Chris Thomas made the Sex Pistols sound more like a heavy metal band.

Actually, I've never heard guitars sound like that before, or since ...way harmonic, beautiful even.
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James Perrett

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Re: Punk Rock ethic
« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2006, 10:50:05 am »

maxim wrote on Wed, 04 January 2006 02:52

the saints


Funny enough - I had Kym from the band working on some old stuff here recently. He's got some good stories about the London punk scene.

Cheers

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Re: Punk Rock ethic
« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2006, 07:29:45 am »

If you want the lowdown on the recording sessions for NMTB, Sound on Sound has a good article here...

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep04/articles/classictracks .htm

For a purer form of subversion and rebellion though it has to be CRASS.

http://www.southern.com/southern/label/CRC/

Their engineer, John Loder (RIP), was apparently an influence on Steve Albini.
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