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Kenny Gioia

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Poll: Should Music Be Free?
« on: January 03, 2006, 03:57:31 am »

Well Maxim started a Shitstorm over it.

We might as well discuss it.

Should music be free?

Should we all get straight jobs and do music for free on the weekends?

Enjoy!!!
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chris haines

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Re: Poll: Should Music Be Free?
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2006, 04:52:18 am »

unfortunately the real question should be "is music free?"

sometimes technology makes pondering such issues irrelevant.  a better use of time and energy would be devoted to how will technology continue to affect intellectual property rights and what is the best way for society to deal with this issue as a whole...?

another good question might be, how many of you would pay for gas if you could download it for free?  'cause i think that a large portion of the general public feels this way about music...ie...they're just filling up their Ipod...except they'd buy the gas if they couldn't download it, unlike the music they're acquiring.

it sucks, and it's a change in the paradigm that the industry is extremely slow to embrace, but maybe we need to start looking at music from a more socialist point of view...ie...in Europe the medical care isn't as good, and the doctors earn less, but at least they're still getting paid.

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Re: Poll: Should Music Be Free?
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2006, 05:23:58 am »



Why should music be free, the creation of music costs money. To become proficient at music costs time, thousands of hours of time. To write a song takes a certain amount of education. Education costs money. Capturing music costs money. Making music available so that other people can enjoy it costs money. Anyone that thinks music should be free probably has never mastered an instrument and has no insight into the complexities of the creation, production and distribution side of it.


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Re: Poll: Should Music Be Free?
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2006, 05:39:16 am »

ronny wrote:

"Anyone that thinks music should be free probably has never mastered an instrument and has no insight into the complexities of the creation, production and distribution side of it. "

another wild guess, ronny

guess again

i have no problem with people charging whatever they want for whatever services they wish

i have worked as a doctor since 1991, and i have never charged a patient

as far as they're concerned, their medical care is free

i would like it if the same system existed for music

which it sort of does

i get paid by apra for live appearances and radio play

i'm quite happy with that, and i'd like to see this extended to the internet

the main beef with the 'music is free' concept comes from the paramusicals, who have no stake in the copyright, and only get paid from the record sales

now, we're only talking about people trying to make maoney from their art, which, as i said, is their right and prerogative

however, that is not the motivation of all the musicians

i was making music for a long time without getting paid, and would continue to do so, if i wasn't

i make music and perform to be appreciated

i am and will always strive to be an Amateur, because i Love music

bob o might feel otherwise
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Re: Poll: Should Music Be Free?
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2006, 06:01:38 am »

otoh

i wouldn't work as a doctor if i wasn't getting paid (most likely)

and the album i've just recorded will be available for sale, in order to pay for itself, to pay the musicians and to make profit

i don't mind people making duplicates of my work in their time for free, but if i'm going to go through the expense of making a cd box, i might as well get paid for it

that's why these sort of polls and absolute statements are meaningless

it may come as a surprise to this thread de/generator, but a brain is capable of holding more than one idea at a time
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Re: Poll: Should Music Be Free?
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2006, 07:05:30 am »

any engineer who thinks music should be free MUST be lacking mentally.

the reasons are obvious...chatter aside.
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Re: Poll: Should Music Be Free?
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2006, 08:15:17 am »

what exactly does the engineer have to do with it?

appropriately, on steve's forum, surely, it is up to the band
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Re: Poll: Should Music Be Free?
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2006, 08:56:52 am »

Ronny wrote on Tue, 03 January 2006 11:23



Why should music be free, the creation of music costs money. To become proficient at music costs time, thousands of hours of time. To write a song takes a certain amount of education. Education costs money. Capturing music costs money. Making music available so that other people can enjoy it costs money. Anyone that thinks music should be free probably has never mastered an instrument and has no insight into the complexities of the creation, production and distribution side of it.





i guess my point would be 'why should' is irrelevant when 'why is' can already be answered...  we can all hold hands and have a cybercry or move on and figure out how to deal with it.
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Re: Poll: Should Music Be Free?
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2006, 11:33:33 am »

I think everything should be free. I should be able to buy some BEER and it should be free. I should not have to pay for Gas,, Right,,,,,,  ?? I should have the roof put on my house for free.........??  

Maxim,,,,

I didn't spend ANY time being a Doctor. Or doing anything else for that matter. I love music so much that It's ALL I EVER DO.  I think it's cute that as a part time music guy you feel all warm and fuzzy about "music being free" but I can tell you this.....

The music that I value as an individual the most, is music that was made by people who spent all their time playing music. This is why they get so good at it. I personally have a big problem with the idea of people stealing my work.......


Now let me ask you this,, do you feel,I mean you personally, that music is important to you? Are you willing to pay Money to see a great Musician play? Or should we just play for free??


I'm a Musician, not a Doctor.
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Re: Poll: Should Music Be Free?
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2006, 11:35:16 am »

Sure, music "should be" free.  Food should be free. Housing should be free.  Cars should be free.  

Music should be available at cost plus.  That would be, enough so that the artist is recompensed reasonably, and the people that really make the process can earn a decent living.  For the most part, record company types aren't necessary to the process.

The question that never seems to come up, in these discussions of downloading etc., is, Would you happily pay the artist royalty (around a nickel per song) for the stuff you take free?
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Re: Poll: Should Music Be Free?
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2006, 11:55:13 am »

This is a preposterous question. It's like asking "Should air be free?"

Music has always been free. Records, those cost money. Attaching music to another commercial enterprise, that costs money. Both of them still do. Concert tickets, those cost money.

Listening to music, that's always been free. I remember leaving a concert at the tender age of 15 while the dreadful Marshall Tucker Band were still onstage. It cost me $7 to go to that concert, and $15 for the bag of weed I purchased there. I remember thinking that if I had been able to find my weed guy outside, I could have saved $7, and still heard the Marshall Tucker Band from the parking lot.

Music itself, the audible part of music, has always been free. The artefacts and carriers of it, those cost money, and some of them always will.
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Re: Poll: Should Music Be Free?
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2006, 12:04:14 pm »

Of course music is free. Steal a kazoo, and get busy. Nobody's stopping you.

If you mean GOOD music- fine. Exactly how impressed can you afford to be?

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Re: Poll: Should Music Be Free?
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2006, 12:08:23 pm »



Too bad we can't find a way to apply the automotive model to music.

A Rolls Royce is a finely crafted car hand built by experts and should be very expensive.

A Yugo is a stamped out piece of shit and should be as cheap as a toaster.


There's too many Yugo's cruising around the music industry thinking they are Rolls Royces.

No, music shouldn't be free, but there should be a VAT royalty.


A Duke Ellington CD should cost like hell.

WangChung should be in the dollar bin.
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Re: Poll: Should Music Be Free?
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2006, 12:37:02 pm »

I have it! The new music business model!

You buy an 'album'. It's a harshly played acoustic guitar, with a drunk, singing flat. The liner notes have track charts, and descriptions of the finished record you can have.. if you want anything more.

So, you hire time in a local room... and..


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Re: Poll: Should Music Be Free?
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2006, 02:37:31 pm »

maxim wrote on Tue, 03 January 2006 05:39

i have worked as a doctor since 1991, and i have never charged a patient

as far as they're concerned, their medical care is free

I find this very interesting. Could you please explain how your patients do not pay for their medical care?

If you're gettin' paid, somebody's payin' for it.
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