rwj1313 wrote on Fri, 06 January 2006 16:16 |
ivan40 wrote on Thu, 05 January 2006 17:37 |
rwj1313 wrote on Thu, 05 January 2006 18:09 | I protest any musician that protest. I buy music to enjoy......to escape. The last thing I want is some bonehead on some award show wearing 10 t-shirts with different protest on them. I hate bands that do that shit and always have. If you want to change the social conscience get your ass out their and do some real work. When bands start protesting I protest by not purchasing their albums. I tell all the bands that I do FOH sound that if you talk politics on stage, I don't care if it's Republican, Democrat or Independent, I will turn your mic off so fast it will kill it for the remainder of the show. If you don't like it: protest and don't hire me! For me music should be about music. There are a lot of really good bands that I used to buy their albums but after the first protest song I was finished with them. As far as politics and music goes this country voted right down the middle in the last few elections. Why on earth would you want to automatically exclude half of the people that might buy your album. It just doesn't make sense to me. Maybe I should have said it doesn't make cents.If you are really serious about your cause make as much money as you can by keeping your trap shut and then donate half to your favorite cause. Now you've managed to take money from the very people you don't agree with and applied it to what you believe in.
OK I'm done with my protest, <G>
Rick
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Ya know what I can't stand?? FOH guys who show up at shows thinking they are the nights entertainment. Mix the fucking show already and,, stop with the constant protesting and crying. There are 200 guys standing in line to do your gig just as well as you and most of them are NOT going to play "producer"
Thanks,,,
Ivan..........................
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I have never done FOH "for the money". Don't get me wrong the bands I work for do pay me but........for the amount of work I do, it's a drop in the bucket. It barely pays for the gasoline to pull my trailer to the gig. I run sound because I love to.....not because I get paid. When I run sound I don't want a fricking political rally. Growing up my anthem was not Sex, Drugs, Rock-N-Roll and Politics! I have many rules when doing FOH. Don't fricking use the horns on my monitors as ashtrays. The amp racks or monitor console are not cup holders for your beer so please don't put them on top of them or I might cut your nuts off! These are realistic examples. I want the show to be fun. When you talk politics it pisses off half the crowd and I'm not into that. I know I'm not "the nights entertainment".....the band is. None of the bands I work for have any problems with my "rules". As far as "There are 200 guys standing in line to do your gig just as well as you and most of them are NOT going to play "producer"" I don't know where you live but I know I have never heard 200 guys anywhere that can actually mix well. I'm also not saying I can mix well either. The bottom line is that the bands know my rules and they don't have to hire me and I am quite happy with that. Where is the "constant protesting and crying"?
Rick
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I am sorry to have to say this, Rick, but your opinions will be part of my "DON´T" list for my students at Nordic Institute of Stage and Studio (where I teach live sound).
Here is my reason:
I always (and have always done) teach my students that the most important thing for them to learn is WHAT THEIR JOB IS! According to what I have been teaching them for 7 years now, their job is to make sure they do everything they can to service the artist on stage, make sure the artist feels that his performance is presented to the audience the way he wants it to, and TO NOT INTERFERE WITH THE ARTIST EXPRESSION.
As an example: My wife was some years ago sexually assaulted by a very christian man, who used his beleif in god as an excuse for why HE was not to blame, and that everybody had to understand that he was tempted on purpose and that god had forgiven him his sin (here I should mention that it was her grandfather, and my wife was 14 at the time).
Since then, I have sometimes experienced a strong wish to stop some of the chrsitian speakers I have listened to, and to tell my own story about what some "good christians" do.
Does this give me the right to pull down a mic if somebody mentions christianity/god/jesus at a job where I am mixing? I would wonder how I could ever have worked in the pro audio industry if so.
I am sorry, but the fact that you are mixing the show and CAN act as private censorship gives you no right to do so.
I remeber when U2 toured the world in 1992. On every gig on that tour, Bono called up a national politician and started inquiering about some national issue in which he took an interest. I guess you would pull the mic if you had been mixing?? (Bad example, since a guy with attitude of this kind would never mix U2, but still....)
Sorry to have to disagree this strongly with you, but in my opinion you are not really doing what you are hired to do; make sure the show comes out like the artist wants it to.
Regards,
larsK