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jordancgeiger

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Re: Who was more important?
« Reply #60 on: January 01, 2006, 05:09:30 pm »

All I know is, in terms of influence, I've met many, many musicians that have been directly influenced by the Minutemen to start a band with their friends, go on tour, make music that springs directly from their world, develop a sense of community and mutual respect with their fans, and feel confident in the (use) value of their work regardless of its (exchange) monetary value or popularity.
I seriously doubt Wang Chung has been as influencial in this sense.
The popular music industry tells a young person that music is not art in the sense that anyone can make it (a physical manifestation of a concept), only in the sense that a "genius" or "special person" through means invisible to the viewer (huge amounts of money, recording/video production, promotion)crafts a "hit song" which itself is also a non-contextual and non-particular fetish object.  
The Minuteman stand in complete contrast to this, and by virtue of being transparent, particular, ridiculously easy to relate to, and employing humble means, they are more influencial.
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Kenny Gioia

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Re: Who was more important?
« Reply #61 on: January 01, 2006, 10:31:41 pm »

electrical wrote on Sun, 01 January 2006 14:21

Kenny Gioia wrote on Sun, 01 January 2006 14:00

maxim wrote on Sun, 25 December 2005 22:19



and while we're not on your forum in the marsh pit, i'll say this too:

MUSIC IS FREE!



You're an ass.

Your music is free because it is worthless.

Some of us were blessed with talent.

Soorry.

Hey! This is the second time someone has been a dick on this forum! Congratulations Kenny Gioia, You're our second dick!

Happy New Year, dick!


I was merely sticking up for a friend who surely doesn't deserve a fuck you from one of your minion.

Bob Ohlson has forgotten more than most of you know.

Give him respect or cower away.

Don't FUCK with me dickwad.

I admire your principles but your records suck ass.

Happy New Year Semi Pro Day Rate Mother Fucka!!!!!
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Re: Who was more important?
« Reply #62 on: January 01, 2006, 10:33:05 pm »

kenny wrote:

"You're an ass."

it's like being insulted by george bush.. kinda warm and fuzzy and at the same time amusing

"Your music is free because it is worthless."

me and a whole bunch of decomposing composers

"Some of us were blessed with talent."

you and wang chung

"Soorry."

never mind
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Re: Who was more important?
« Reply #63 on: January 01, 2006, 10:33:35 pm »

electrical wrote on Sun, 01 January 2006 14:24

Kenny Gioia wrote on Sun, 01 January 2006 13:56


Nothing disgusts me more than an Artist or Band who believes that they are important.

Nothing disgusts me more than the postmodern notion that it's cool to be insubstantial, and better yet to be trivial.




Some of us just enjoy music.

Others believe "they" matter.

The latter are fools.
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Re: Who was more important?
« Reply #64 on: January 01, 2006, 10:37:15 pm »

maxim wrote on Sun, 01 January 2006 22:33

kenny wrote:

"You're an ass."

it's like being insulted by george bush.. kinda warm and fuzzy and at the same time amusing

"Your music is free because it is worthless."

me and a whole bunch of decomposing composers

"Some of us were blessed with talent."

you and wang chung

"Soorry."

never mind


How do I respond to a non response?

I guess you're one of those non-confrontational pussies.

That's cool. Just show Bob some respect or prepare to be destroyed.

I kid you not.


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Re: Who was more important?
« Reply #65 on: January 01, 2006, 10:37:59 pm »

kenny also wrote:

"I was merely sticking up for a friend who surely doesn't deserve a fuck you from one of your minion."

correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't think bob really needs your help

"Don't FUCK with me dickwad."

i'm sure that's the LAST thing on anyone's mind

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Re: Who was more important?
« Reply #66 on: January 01, 2006, 10:42:19 pm »

maxim wrote on Sun, 01 January 2006 22:37

kenny also wrote:

"I was merely sticking up for a friend who surely doesn't deserve a fuck you from one of your minion."

correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't think bob really needs your help

"Don't FUCK with me dickwad."

i'm sure that's the LAST thing on his mind





Your right.

Bob doesn't need me to defend him.

But he has enuff class to stay away from ridicule from a pompous little cretin like yourself.

Me. I could give two fucks.

Shut up and respect the man.

I would apologize if I were you.

But than again, I don't eat my own semen.

Peace.
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Re: Who was more important?
« Reply #67 on: January 01, 2006, 10:45:45 pm »

kenny wrote:

"How do I respond to a non response?"

you just did, you numnut

"I guess you're one of those non-confrontational pussies."

true, i don't really like fighting (partly, why i stay away from the macho brawling marsh pit )

"That's cool. Just show Bob some respect or prepare to be destroyed."

bob and i have RESPECTFULLY disagreed on a number of occasions (at least, from my side)

"I kid you not."

you're kidding, right?

that's you in the cute picture , isn't it?
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Re: Who was more important?
« Reply #68 on: January 01, 2006, 10:51:43 pm »

Kenny Gioia wrote on Sun, 01 January 2006 22:31


I was merely sticking up for a friend who surely doesn't deserve a fuck you from one of your minion.

Bob Ohlson has forgotten more than most of you know.

Give him respect or cower away.

Don't FUCK with me dickwad.

I admire your principles but your records suck ass.

Happy New Year Semi Pro Day Rate Mother Fucka!!!!!


I have a minion? I am Semi Pro? My records suck ass? I am a dickwad?

You are a class act, Kenny Gioia. And restless. You have your own forum to occupy yourself, and you still find time to come over here and tell people their music sucks.

If I had ever heard anything you've done, maybe I could return the compliments. As it sits, you get to wake up tomorrow and be Kenny Gioia for another day, and I get to be me. Good luck with that.
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Re: Who was more important?
« Reply #69 on: January 01, 2006, 11:01:32 pm »

steve wrote:

"I have a minion?"

yes, even more hilariously, apparently, that's me

btw, i do apologise for the dig i had at bob's forum, i feel i may have stooped to kenny's level

in my defense, though, i hate being told there's something i can't discuss
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Re: Who was more important?
« Reply #70 on: January 01, 2006, 11:55:21 pm »

I would vote, execpt I've never heard the minutemen.

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Re: Who was more important?
« Reply #71 on: January 02, 2006, 12:01:27 am »

telefunky wrote on Wed, 21 December 2005 18:53

Curve Dominant wrote: I noticed you never use bands like Duran Duran or Depeche Mode or New Order as your examples. Out of all the mainstream 80's pop bands
You are obviously not old enough to remember the 80's if you are under the impression that Depeche Mode and New Order were "mainstream 80's pop bands".  They were played on only a few stations in even fewer cities, and the kids in school that liked those kinds of bands were very much on the cutting edge.  I think this is a general misunderstanding of 80's music that is prevalent in 20 somethings today.  Mainstream in the 80's was Phil Collins, Madonna, Michael Jackson, Prince, Asia, Men at Work, Huey Lewis, J. Geils, etc.



I'll back curve up on this one.

I grew up in Europe and New Order Duran Durab, Depeche Mode, Ultravox, Siouxsie and The banshees ans softcell  were  played everyhwere on the radio.

Wang Chung was a flash in the pan.

So, I agree, if you're goign to do a poll, use some real relevcant bands of that era to offset against a (for me) completely unknown band like the Minutem,en.

In wich case bands like New Order, Joy Division, depeche Mode etc, were way more important tha some indie band that those wanting to prove their indie cred, wank off to.

It's like asking "wich tree was the loudest? The one you heard fall, or the one you heard about?".

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Re: Who was more important?
« Reply #72 on: January 02, 2006, 12:23:20 am »

maxim wrote on Sun, 01 January 2006 22:45



bob and i have RESPECTFULLY disagreed on a number of occasions (at least, from my side)


I didn't find your response respectful at all. In fact it was not on the level of something that Bob would ever respond to.

maxim wrote on Sun, 01 January 2006 22:45



you're kidding, right?

that's you in the cute picture , isn't it?



Yeah. That's me. I'm still 3 years old. (I know. I know. I act like it.)
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Re: Who was more important?
« Reply #73 on: January 02, 2006, 12:33:19 am »

electrical wrote on Sun, 01 January 2006 22:51



I have a minion? I am Semi Pro? My records suck ass? I am a dickwad?

You are a class act, Kenny Gioia. And restless. You have your own forum to occupy yourself, and you still find time to come over here and tell people their music sucks.

If I had ever heard anything you've done, maybe I could return the compliments. As it sits, you get to wake up tomorrow and be Kenny Gioia for another day, and I get to be me. Good luck with that.


This does not surprise me.

You always struck me as someone with their head so far up their own ass that they didn't know what the rest of the world was up to.

And if I had to work at your day rate, I wouldn't be able to find the time to take a day off listen to anyone else's work either.

Oh. And yes. I do find the time to come over to your dirt pile and defend such Legends as Bob Ohlsson.

If you paid any attention, you would see that this was not an unprovoked attack. But I guess with that pittance you so gladly receive, your spare time is a little more precious than mine.

I can count the amount of important records you've made on one finger. But they were a Legend way before you jumped on board so it's hard to bow to thee who claims to be as neutral as a fuckin' Grace Design mic pre.

That is one more important record than me but I never claim to make important music. Don't take yourself soo seriously. I'd shoot myself before I'd even attempt to make an Important record. Puleeese.

And of course. I do get to wake up and be Kenny Gioia tomorrow. I'm sorry that you're not soo lucky.

See ya.
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Re: Who was more important?
« Reply #74 on: January 02, 2006, 12:38:32 am »

maxim wrote on Sun, 01 January 2006 23:01

steve wrote:

btw, i do apologise for the dig i had at bob's forum, i feel i may have stooped to kenny's level


That's pretty damn amazing. You've stooped to my level before I even came here. Nice one.

maxim wrote on Sun, 01 January 2006 23:01

in my defense, though, i hate being told there's something i can't discuss


Don't defend yourself after apologizing. It kind of takes away the meaning.

There is definitely a more creative way to discuss your belief that stealing money out of my pocket makes sense for you rather than attacking Bob Ohlsson.

For instance. Start a new thread.

I apologize for letting you know what I think of you. But in my defense, you are a scumbag.


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