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jimmyjazz

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Re: Working with DAW sessions?
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2006, 11:11:22 AM »

electrical wrote on Thu, 19 January 2006 05:28

I have rented out our studio for digital sessions.


Man, that just sounds wrong.  I can't imagine the thought of someone carting in a PT rig to Electrical!

Thanks for the clarification . . .
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Re: Working with DAW sessions?
« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2006, 02:49:53 PM »

jimmyjazz wrote on Thu, 19 January 2006 11:11


Man, that just sounds wrong.  I can't imagine the thought of someone carting in a PT rig to Electrical!

Thanks for the clarification . . .


Happens all the time. Next week, for a month in fact. Happens all the time.
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Re: Working with DAW sessions?
« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2006, 04:06:39 PM »

electrical wrote on Sun, 18 December 2005 15:12

 I don't think decisions made over a long recording session can be grasped by someone who is hearing the material for the first time, and who wasn't in the room when the important decisions were being made. I think the "remix specialist" is another stupid gimmick that the music business and the recording culture have imposed on bands. I wish the concept of seperating the recording from the mixing had never been explained to record label people, so they would stop thinking of them as seperate tasks. They are intimately and completely integrated in my mind.


I totally agree, and in fact this is my favorite thing about working on a DAW.  From the first moment you are assembling the final result and every moment along the way is preserved and recallable.  My ears were opened to this when I recorded and mixed a singer-songwriter a few years ago. For some weird reason on one song we ended up tracking vocals before  we tracked the band--several tracks, panned weirdly at times, with effects.  At the end of the production process we still had not touched or changed anything about those vocal tracks-- they became the production template around which everything else revolved, and  in the final mix that peculiar moment on that peculiar day when we tracked vocals, unsure and unencumbered, was preserved intact.

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Re: Working with DAW sessions?
« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2006, 04:45:43 PM »

electrical wrote on Sun, 18 December 2005 15:12

 I think the "remix specialist" is another stupid gimmick that the music business and the recording culture have imposed on bands.




A&R person to the record producer,

"We don't much money left to finish this record. Can we skip the mixing and go straight to the remix?"


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Re: Working with DAW sessions?
« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2006, 01:16:00 PM »

Oh God,

This month, for the first time, I had to send tracks off for someone else to mix.

now I'm really nervious.

what of the tracks?

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Re: Working with DAW sessions?
« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2006, 08:12:02 PM »

electrical wrote on Thu, 19 January 2006 14:49

jimmyjazz wrote on Thu, 19 January 2006 11:11


Man, that just sounds wrong.  I can't imagine the thought of someone carting in a PT rig to Electrical!

Thanks for the clarification . . .


Happens all the time. Next week, for a month in fact. Happens all the time.



Will this be for the new Zao record?  Or has that already been recorded?  Or are you not at liberty to say?

When someone brings in a PT or other digital rig, who runs it?  Does the band hire someone to keep the digital end of things working, or is one of EA's staff guys well versed in that sort of thing?
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Re: Working with DAW sessions?
« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2006, 12:31:32 AM »

Adam P wrote on Fri, 20 January 2006 20:12


Will this be for the new Zao record?  Or has that already been recorded?

No, the Zao record is almost finished, and the band were thrilled to discover that tape machines never crash.

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When someone brings in a PT or other digital rig, who runs it?

Either the outside engineer or an electrical staffer.
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Does the band hire someone to keep the digital end of things working, or is one of EA's staff guys well versed in that sort of thing?

The staff here are Pro Tools competent. I personally am not, and I don't have any desire to be.
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Re: Working with DAW sessions?
« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2006, 01:33:14 AM »

steve a wrote:

" I personally am not, and I don't have any desire to be. "

true luddite
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Re: Working with DAW sessions?
« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2006, 01:37:33 AM »

Thanks for the info, Steve.  

I'm looking forward to hearing that record.
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Re: Working with DAW sessions?
« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2006, 04:04:19 AM »

jimmyjazz wrote on Thu, 19 January 2006 10:11

electrical wrote on Thu, 19 January 2006 05:28

I have rented out our studio for digital sessions.


Man, that just sounds wrong.  I can't imagine the thought of someone carting in a PT rig to Electrical!

Thanks for the clarification . . .




Why not?  Two cool, great sounding rooms, great consoles nad a mic collection that is to die for.  If you bought into the Digi hype but believe that the space and the front end are important, Electrical makes a lot of sense.  

Granted I wouldn't being a PT rig there (or anywhere for that matter...).  I'd record on the Studers and be very happy.
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Re: Working with DAW sessions?
« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2006, 12:41:25 PM »

drumsound wrote on Sat, 21 January 2006 04:04

jimmyjazz wrote on Thu, 19 January 2006 10:11

electrical wrote on Thu, 19 January 2006 05:28

I have rented out our studio for digital sessions.


Man, that just sounds wrong.  I can't imagine the thought of someone carting in a PT rig to Electrical!

Thanks for the clarification . . .




Why not?


Well, mostly because the owner is adamantly anti-digital.  Just because he's a smart enough businessman to "allow" PT into his facility doesn't mean it doesn't seem a little odd.


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Two cool, great sounding rooms, great consoles nad a mic collection that is to die for.


Yeah, those are great front ends for ANY recording.  Personally, I'd probably go find them somewhere else if costs and quality were similar, given what I said above about Steve's stance on DAWs and digital recording in general.  That having been said, I certainly understand why others will bring PT into Electical if that's their recording/archival medium of choice.
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Re: Working with DAW sessions?
« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2006, 03:24:48 PM »

jimmyjazz wrote on Sat, 21 January 2006 12:41

Personally, I'd probably go find them somewhere else if costs and quality were similar...

Given the way you've qualified that last sentence, I think you've found the reason engineers are bringing their digital sessions here.

If you are afraid I might walk into your session and blow raspberries at your PT rig, and that would ruin your day, then I guess I can see your point. I don't think I've ever done that though. Honestly, why would my unwillingness to use digital recording have any effect on your session?

If the studio were owned by a canned chili millionaire, someone who didn't use any recording equipment at all, would that disqualify his studio for all sessions?
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Re: Working with DAW sessions?
« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2006, 03:48:05 PM »

electrical wrote on Sat, 21 January 2006 12:24


If the studio were owned by a canned chili millionaire, someone who didn't use any recording equipment at all, would that disqualify his studio for all sessions?


No, but there'd be a lot of passing of gas.
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Re: Working with DAW sessions?
« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2006, 05:38:52 PM »

electrical wrote on Sat, 21 January 2006 15:24

If you are afraid I might walk into your session and blow raspberries at your PT rig, and that would ruin your day, then I guess I can see your point. I don't think I've ever done that though. Honestly, why would my unwillingness to use digital recording have any effect on your session?


I wouldn't bring a DAW into Electrical for myriad reasons.  First of all, you are one of your studio's biggest assets.  Choosing to work in the digital domain (presumably) rules you out for the project.  It also (presumably) rules you out for assistance in the event something goes wrong or even if the visiting engineer needs a little advice.  I wouldn't expect you to "blow raspberries" at my session, but I sure wouldn't expect you to be gung ho about it, either.

Regardless, why on earth would I pay good money to work at a place where I knew my methods and gear were looked at with disdain by the principal engineer?  You know as much as anyone how important the vibe of a session is.  Why risk it?

It's your bed.  You made it.  Lie in it.

That having been said, you know I admire your work, your skills, your intellect, and the way you stick to your guns.  I'd be happy to bring projects to your studio -- if it were in Austin.  I'd just do things your way.  (Disclaimer:  I've never tracked or mixed with a DAW in my life.)
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Re: Working with DAW sessions?
« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2006, 11:31:46 AM »

[quote title=electrical wrote on Sat, 21 January 2006 20:24]

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If the studio were owned by a canned chili millionaire, someone who didn't use any recording equipment at all, would that disqualify his studio for all sessions?


Hey, I have to LIVE in phoenix
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