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rankus

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Re: Crappy Drums
« Reply #30 on: December 15, 2005, 02:16:31 pm »

RKrizman wrote on Wed, 14 December 2005 18:54

electrical wrote on Wed, 14 December 2005 14:45

rankus wrote on Wed, 14 December 2005 14:14


It's all fun and games until one of your engineering buddies says "ummm dude about that drum sound"

To which I respond, "Who the fuck asked you, crankbite?" or "Would you like some more cocoa?" or something similar.


I swear, "drum sound" is the tail wagging the dog in this industry.  

I've recorded guys playing their trap cases for a basic track, and it's been fine.

-R



Ya,  I think it was Eddie Kramer who said "No one ever walked out of a record store humming a drum sound".... words to live by for sure....  

(He says he will leave the studio if it takes more than 20 mins to mic a kit and get tones)
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Re: Crappy Drums
« Reply #31 on: December 15, 2005, 02:30:34 pm »

rankus wrote on Thu, 15 December 2005 19:16


Ya,  I think it was Eddie Kramer who said "No one ever walked out of a record store humming a drum sound".... words to live by for sure....  

(He says he will leave the studio if it takes more than 20 mins to mic a kit and get tones)



Which might be the reason why I often am disappointed by the sound he got for Mitch Mitchell on a lot of those Hendrix records.

I agree - a great song is much much more important than drum sound ever will be.  Still it doesn't hurt to have a recording that enhances impact instead of detracting from it.   Anyway - usually great drummers equate to great sounds though a lot more than great kits do.

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Re: Crappy Drums
« Reply #32 on: December 15, 2005, 04:11:42 pm »

TotalSonic wrote on Thu, 15 December 2005 03:40



If someone brings in a set I deem crappy I immediately stomp around imperiously and force them to play THIS:





Steve,

What the heck are those things?  I haven't seen toms with flared bottoms like that before.

Like Alex Van Halen meets Salvador Dali.  Who makes those??

Fig
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Re: Crappy Drums
« Reply #33 on: December 15, 2005, 04:49:31 pm »

Fig wrote on Thu, 15 December 2005 15:11

TotalSonic wrote on Thu, 15 December 2005 03:40



If someone brings in a set I deem crappy I immediately stomp around imperiously and force them to play THIS:





Steve,

What the heck are those things?  I haven't seen toms with flared bottoms like that before.

Like Alex Van Halen meets Salvador Dali.  Who makes those??

Fig



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Re: Crappy Drums
« Reply #34 on: December 15, 2005, 06:24:39 pm »

TotalSonic wrote on Thu, 15 December 2005 14:30


Which might be the reason why I often am disappointed by the sound he got for Mitch Mitchell on a lot of those Hendrix records.



What did you want them to sound like, the Eagles?

On those Hendrix sessions, if he had spent any more time on the drums he would have captured a different moment--and that would have been a tragic shame.

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Re: Crappy Drums
« Reply #35 on: December 15, 2005, 06:34:59 pm »

RKrizman wrote on Thu, 15 December 2005 23:24

TotalSonic wrote on Thu, 15 December 2005 14:30


Which might be the reason why I often am disappointed by the sound he got for Mitch Mitchell on a lot of those Hendrix records.



What did you want them to sound like, the Eagles?


ugh, ummm errr NO!  Geez - not even the Eagles should ever have to sound like the Eagles.

How about - just more like drums sound in a nice room, with each drum audible and defined

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On those Hendrix sessions, if he had spent any more time on the drums he would have captured a different moment--and that would have been a tragic shame.



Not so sure this would have been the case.  And to me  it actually is a nice thing we'll never know - those records are what they are and are indeed "classics".  
and Eddie was certainly up against some technical & time limitations that weren't under his control for some of those sessions.  
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Don't get me wrong -  I truly love all the Experience Records - Electric Ladyland is a desert island record of mine for sure.   But I still don't go to the Experience records for examples of a recording that contains my favorite "drum sounds"
Obviously - OMMV.

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Re: Crappy Drums
« Reply #36 on: December 15, 2005, 06:36:03 pm »

xonlocust wrote on Thu, 15 December 2005 21:49

North drums i do believe.


Hee hee - yup - them's the ones.

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Re: Crappy Drums
« Reply #37 on: December 16, 2005, 07:25:30 am »

rankus wrote on Thu, 15 December 2005 14:16



of Eddie Kramer...

(He says he will leave the studio if it takes more than 20 mins to mic a kit and get tones)




Now that's a smart engineer! I give it an hour, tops  Smile

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Re: Crappy Drums
« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2005, 05:54:37 pm »

i find that most of the time spent on drums is taken up before i put a mic near the kit (unless the drummer has his/her dums sorted out - rattles, tuning, etc). it usually takes me 1/2 hour to an hour from the time i start micing up, depending on what technique i'm using.

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Re: Crappy Drums
« Reply #39 on: December 17, 2005, 01:51:31 pm »

Axis: Bold As Love has some really good drum sounds, in my opinion.


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Re: Crappy Drums
« Reply #40 on: December 17, 2005, 06:20:38 pm »

Yeah, seriously. I would go to early Hendrix for certain awesome drum sounds. "Fire". "Hey Joe". The way the snare fill goes into the kick drum over "I gave her the gun- I shot her!" on that last song is one of the wonders of sound for me. Of course I listen to that one off an old steamboat three-color Reprise-label vinyl record, which is kinda good at presenting the things we like about analog... vibe for days, for years...

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Re: Crappy Drums
« Reply #41 on: December 18, 2005, 07:24:19 am »

rankus wrote on Wed, 14 December 2005 14:14



Ya,  I think it was Eddie Kramer who said "No one ever walked out of a record store humming a drum sound"....



Tell that to Rahzel or Dokaka
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