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Title: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Silvertone on March 24, 2010, 09:10:53 am
http://www.steinberg.net/en/products/audioediting_product/wa velab7_preview0.html

No DDP though... bummer.
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: bblackwood on March 24, 2010, 09:34:49 am
Eeeeeeeeeeteresting...

If they add DDP, this will probably own the Mac mastering market in short time. Heck, if they add DDP I'll try it.
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: TotalSonic on March 24, 2010, 09:50:21 am
bblackwood wrote on Wed, 24 March 2010 09:34

Eeeeeeeeeeteresting...

If they add DDP, this will probably own the Mac mastering market in short time. Heck, if they add DDP I'll try it.


The Sonoris DDP Creator 2.02 fixing all known issues and adding various "export to audio files" functions is literally around the corner - and could offer an inexpensive and easy way to add DDP functionality (i.e. export from Wavelab as cue+bin, import to Sonoris DDP Creator, export as DDPi).

Best regards,
Steve Berson
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: bblackwood on March 24, 2010, 09:55:25 am
TotalSonic wrote on Wed, 24 March 2010 08:50

The Sonoris DDP Creator 2.02 fixing all known issues and adding various "export to audio files" functions is literally around the corner - and could offer an inexpensive and easy way to add DDP functionality (i.e. export from Wavelab as cue+bin, import to Sonoris DDP Creator, export as DDPi).

Meh. Call me picky, but I want an all-in-one solution like I've always had. No need to take a step backwards just to work on the OS I prefer.
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: TotalSonic on March 24, 2010, 10:00:37 am
bblackwood wrote on Wed, 24 March 2010 09:55

TotalSonic wrote on Wed, 24 March 2010 08:50

The Sonoris DDP Creator 2.02 fixing all known issues and adding various "export to audio files" functions is literally around the corner - and could offer an inexpensive and easy way to add DDP functionality (i.e. export from Wavelab as cue+bin, import to Sonoris DDP Creator, export as DDPi).

Meh. Call me picky, but I want an all-in-one solution like I've always had. No need to take a step backwards just to work on the OS I prefer.


Yeah - if you have a Sequoia rig already it doesn't make sense to make a change to me anyway.  But the option is out there who want to run Wavelab on Mac and need to have the ability to create DDPi as well.

Best regards,
Steve Berson
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Thomas W. Bethel on March 24, 2010, 10:56:14 am
Don't bother to watch the movie it is terrible. I hope Steinberg did not have to pay for the production if they did they got taken big time.
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Gold on March 24, 2010, 11:22:51 am
bblackwood wrote on Wed, 24 March 2010 09:55


Meh. Call me picky, but I want an all-in-one solution like I've always had. No need to take a step backwards just to work on the OS I prefer.


It doesn't seem like too much to ask. All we need is Play/Record/Edit/Burn. Pretty simple over all.

I bought Izoppe RX because I thought the spectral editor would be better than the one included with samp. I use that all the time. I didn't realize you couldn't use it VST in samp. I don't care if it's better. If I can't use it in situ I'm not using it.
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: MoreSpaceEcho on March 24, 2010, 12:40:19 pm
4 years in development and the big news (besides working on a mac, which i don't care about) is some restoration plugins and an improved burning engine??? i *really* hope there's more to it than that.
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Phil Demetro on March 24, 2010, 12:50:21 pm
Mac or PC, WaveLab makes me want to blow my brains out.

I just don't know how anyone uses it?

Talk about unintuitive - I'm just too far gone into my indoctrination with Sequoia, I guess? The workflow just seems so much more logical?

I always forget to save my Master/render window in WL so when I open up older session my plugin(s) aren't there!
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: MoreSpaceEcho on March 24, 2010, 12:56:12 pm
i've always found the montage in wavelab to be the MOST intuitive DAW out there. different strokes i guess. i have reaper and sonar here for tracking bands (still happens on occasion) and i go bonkers every time i have to use them.

i put the plugs right on the clips themselves, or on the tracks in the montage and everything gets saved with the project, no problem.
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Phil Demetro on March 24, 2010, 01:04:38 pm
I have tried Reaper, but I own Nuendo (I like this program a lot), PT, Sequoia, etc... they're all so easy and similar (for me)

WaveLab... makes me think too often about what to do next?

It's superpowerful though - and it does makes me want to keep going with it.

I have the AudioCube (pc) version of WL but am not sure the Mac version will include this feature?
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Ed Littman on March 24, 2010, 01:07:52 pm
Phil Demetro wrote on Wed, 24 March 2010 12:50

Mac or PC, WaveLab makes me want to blow my brains out.

I just don't know how anyone uses it?




Me on a daily basis.
Using the montage with object editing,opens almost any file,unlimited instances,live input/analog input via asio,unique waveform restorer. etc.
What's all the drama about Phil?

Ed
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: MoreSpaceEcho on March 24, 2010, 01:16:54 pm
Phil Demetro wrote on Wed, 24 March 2010 17:04


WaveLab... makes me think too often about what to do next?



what's to think about? open the mixes on one track, apply plugs if necessary, route to analog chain, captures go on the next track, apply limiter, sequence, top/tail, pq, dither, burn. refresh coffee and check email. done!
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: jdg on March 24, 2010, 01:24:12 pm
dont worry phil, i feel the same way about it.

Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Phil Demetro on March 24, 2010, 01:34:50 pm
Ed Littman wrote on Wed, 24 March 2010 13:07

Phil Demetro wrote on Wed, 24 March 2010 12:50

Mac or PC, WaveLab makes me want to blow my brains out.

I just don't know how anyone uses it?




Me on a daily basis.
Using the montage with object editing,opens almost any file,unlimited instances,live input/analog input via asio,unique waveform restorer. etc.
What's all the drama about Phil?

Ed


Drama?
This is nothing!

I'm on my third crying-kicking-screaming tantrum already today!
(waiting for Fedex and just paid a big Lavry repair bill)

If I could lift these barbells at the back of my room I'd definitely throw them!  Razz
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Thomas W. Bethel on March 24, 2010, 02:14:19 pm
And it will have DDP

from the Cubase site...

DDP: yes it's there.

Philippe
_________________
Philippe

YEA!!!!!
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: mastertone on March 24, 2010, 02:52:40 pm
Phil Demetro wrote on Wed, 24 March 2010 17:50



I just don't know how anyone uses it?

Talk about unintuitive - I'm just too far gone into my indoctrination with Sequoia, I guess? The workflow just seems so much more logical?






+1 Thumbs Up
Samp here but i feel the same way. Maybe use it as playback like Brad does, but i use the free version of samp for now.
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: dave-G on March 24, 2010, 04:47:27 pm
Thomas W. Bethel wrote on Wed, 24 March 2010 14:14

from the Cubase site...

DDP: yes it's there.

Whew. .. that's good ... I was dreading the progression we might see in a subsequent video seeing as how this is apparently what it took to get Mac support:

index.php/fa/14508/0/
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: ak on March 24, 2010, 06:58:29 pm
WL is great.

Using it always for mastering of individual files
and CD mastering.

Why i am using SAMplitude is because i can master
several tracks at the same time using two analog chains
which is not possible with WL.

I am mostly doing Vinyl cutting & mastering so there is
often more than one track per side to master and it
saves a lot of time mastering two tracks fitting perfectly
than each track seperatly then cutting.

Analog inserts should not only be able on the master also on
the cd montage for me. Of course that would make not much sense
for cd mastering.

greetings

Andreas

www.schnittstelle.ws

Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: mastertone on March 24, 2010, 08:04:19 pm
dave-G wrote on Wed, 24 March 2010 21:47


Whew. .. that's good ... I was dreading the progression we might see in a subsequent video seeing as how this is apparently what it took to get Mac support:




hahaha... yeah that video deserves an award
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: MoreSpaceEcho on March 24, 2010, 10:35:42 pm
ak wrote on Wed, 24 March 2010 22:58


Analog inserts should not only be able on the master also on
the cd montage for me. Of course that would make not much sense
for cd mastering.



would be great for mixing though.
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Thomas W. Bethel on March 25, 2010, 07:52:04 am
I have used Wavelab since version 1.6. It is the most intuitive program I have ever used. I use it daily and it works well. I also have Samplitude and it too works well and for me is very intuitive. If you want to talk about programs that are counter intuitive you can go back the original SONIC programs which was so confusing it was a royal PITA just to get it to do anything.

We all have different ways of working and different ways of looking at something and that is what makes us good mastering engineers.

I have always maintained that if it works for you use it. If it does not then find something that works and use that and let everyone know about your new discovery as others may be looking for some new/better way to do their work.


MTCW and YMMV
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: tom eaton on March 25, 2010, 08:28:16 am
Of course the Sonic system introduced the fade editor that Nuendo and pretty much all serious editors still use, generated fades and recalculated waveforms in realtime, allowed you to edit files WHILE you were recording them (does ANY program do this today?)and was ridiculously fast as an editor when you were used to it.  Adding PQ marks to en entire playlist was one command... that kind of thing.  And it sounded good, too.  There were things that were insane about it, too!  Burning a cd was a maze of sub-menus and tweaky parameters.  But Sonic was WAY ahead of the curve in so many ways at that point.  

I'm still looking for a current Mac system that is as easy to assemble and edit in as Sonic "Classic" was... maybe Wavelab is the answer?  Certainly none of the current Sonic options are the thing...

tom
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: fuse on March 25, 2010, 08:28:22 am
This news is kinda old. Wink (mentioned it before)

I spoke with the guy from Steinberg yesterday and he showed me the alpha version of WL7. He told me that WL7 is a completer rewrite because of the Mac support. So that is why it took them quite some time. Release was expected Q3/Q4 2010 so it will take some more time to finish.
DDP is included indeed so thats a plus. Also a new timestretch engine. You can arrange a 2nd display (for on a 2nd monitor) with meters/gauges any way you like. They included the sonnox restauration plugins as well (almost forgot that).
So all in all not a lot of new stuff so personally I think its more like a 6.5 version that runs in Mac as well.
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: bblackwood on March 25, 2010, 08:36:45 am
I've not used WL past v4 (still use it for playback of digital files), so a lot may have changed. Fundamentally, Sequoia was 'further along' imo, seven years ago when I switched, but I'm certainly willing to give it a look.

Somehow I doubt I'll make the switch, but I'd really love to get out of the Windows environment, and from the little I've read / heard regarding v7, WL is the first option to come along that may be a truly viable alternative...
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Ed Littman on March 25, 2010, 09:26:50 am
bblackwood wrote on Thu, 25 March 2010 08:36

I've not used WL past v4 (still use it for playback of digital files), so a lot may have changed. Fundamentally, Sequoia was 'further along' imo, seven years ago when I switched, but I'm certainly willing to give it a look.

Somehow I doubt I'll make the switch, but I'd really love to get out of the Windows environment, and from the little I've read / heard regarding v7, WL is the first option to come along that may be a truly viable alternative...


I've been using it with basically the same work flow since then & now up to latest v6. With the few added useful updates since v4, I doubt that your gonna want to change since the work flow & layout are basically the same(the latest v6)

You go with what you know & if I started on sonic or sadie like some of the others maybe I would not gel with WL either.

Ed
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Greg Reierson on March 25, 2010, 10:08:32 am
Ed Littman wrote on Thu, 25 March 2010 08:26

I've been using it with basically the same work flow since then & now up to latest v6. With the few added useful updates since v4, I doubt that your gonna want to change since the work flow & layout are basically the same(the latest v6)


Interesting. I was a Sonic user when I first looked at WL4. It was cool but lacked important features I had in SS. WL5 was a significant upgrade and the external loop function of WL6 finally convinced me to ditch SS. WL7 doesn't seem to offer much I don't already have, but we'll see.

Unlike other Mac fans (I certainly prefer Mac if given a choice) I can't  justify another hi-end Mac just to run WL when a <$1k PC works great. OTOH, if you you must have a Mac, I can't see a better option.


GR
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: bblackwood on March 25, 2010, 10:14:33 am
Greg Reierson wrote on Thu, 25 March 2010 09:08

Unlike other Mac fans (I certainly prefer Mac if given a choice) I can't  justify another hi-end Mac just to run WL when a <$1k PC works great. OTOH, if you you must have a Mac, I can't see a better option.

Well, I have spare Macs lying around, and beyond that, for what we do, a Mac Mini would probably be overkill...
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Ed Littman on March 25, 2010, 10:48:26 am
Greg Reierson wrote on Thu, 25 March 2010 10:08

Ed Littman wrote on Thu, 25 March 2010 08:26

I've been using it with basically the same work flow since then & now up to latest v6. With the few added useful updates since v4, I doubt that your gonna want to change since the work flow & layout are basically the same(the latest v6)


Interesting. I was a Sonic user when I first looked at WL4. It was cool but lacked important features I had in SS. WL5 was a significant upgrade and the external loop function of WL6 finally convinced me to ditch SS. WL7 doesn't seem to offer much I don't already have, but we'll see.



GR

Before the external loop i just used the live input plug.
iirc Brad wanted more routing options than WL offered but he can chime as to why jumped from it as his main daw.
Ed
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: bblackwood on March 25, 2010, 11:14:36 am
Ed Littman wrote on Thu, 25 March 2010 09:48

iirc Brad wanted more routing options than WL offered but he can chime as to why jumped from it as his main daw.

Yah, that was one of the major things, but I never really cared for the layout / interface - it was very different from my previous experiences (Sadie and some Sonic). Also wasn't impressed that DDP was a $1500 option.
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Jerry Tubb on March 25, 2010, 05:28:37 pm
I'll probably pick up a copy of WL7 for my Mac Mini with Snow Bunny, maybe as a possible pitcher, and for experimentation.

But I can't imagine anything other than my Sonic sB rig for the capture-edit-assemble-burn work.

JT
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Gold on March 26, 2010, 10:44:48 am
ak wrote on Wed, 24 March 2010 18:58



Why i am using SAMplitude is because i can master
several tracks at the same time using two analog chains
which is not possible with WL.




Do you mean that with wavelab you can't have four separate outputs with separate processing? That would make it a no go for me.

When I moved from Sadie I originally bought wavelab. I was shocked and dismayed that it had no routing options other than a monitor.

bblackwood wrote


a Mac Mini would probably be overkill...



It seems to me you would need two firewire buses and a pair of interfaces. The only ones I'd trust are the metric halo ones. Does the mac mini have two separate firewire buses? I think you'd end up with a tower and cards.
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: bblackwood on March 26, 2010, 10:51:17 am
Gold wrote on Fri, 26 March 2010 09:44

bblackwood wrote


a Mac Mini would probably be overkill...



It seems to me you would need two firewire buses and a pair of interfaces. The only ones I'd trust are the metric halo ones. Does the mac mini have two separate firewire buses? I think you'd end up with a tower and cards.


Only if you want to use one machine to do it all, easy enough to use one for playback and another to capture. The Mini already has optical dig I/O.

Just thinking aloud, can't really see myself doing any of the above...
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: fuse on March 26, 2010, 11:23:50 am
Ed Littman wrote on Thu, 25 March 2010 15:48


Before the external loop i just used the live input plug.
iirc Brad wanted more routing options than WL offered but he can chime as to why jumped from it as his main daw.
Ed


Funny that you mention it. I actually asked Steinberg to build  mastering console functionality into Wavelab but they replied that nobody would use buy so would be hard to sell.
On the other hand trying to keep track of latencies and keeping everything in phase would be quite the challenge. That's why WL has only 1 external insert FX option.
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: MoreSpaceEcho on March 26, 2010, 12:41:03 pm
Gold wrote on Fri, 26 March 2010 14:44


Do you mean that with wavelab you can't have four separate outputs with separate processing? .



you can run up to 8 out/8 in, but there's only one external loop available.
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Gold on March 26, 2010, 01:11:19 pm
MoreSpaceEcho wrote on Fri, 26 March 2010 12:41


you can run up to 8 out/8 in, but there's only one external loop available.



I guess I don't understand what you mean by external loop. As long as you save one output for the monitor couldn't you run the other seven to the outside world and back in again?
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: MoreSpaceEcho on March 26, 2010, 01:22:03 pm
yep, you can do that no problem.
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: urm eric on March 26, 2010, 02:13:21 pm
tom eaton wrote on Thu, 25 March 2010 07:28

 allowed you to edit files WHILE you were recording them (does ANY program do this today?)and was ridiculously fast as an editor when you were used to it.  
tom


SADiE ...



Eric
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: masterlab on March 29, 2010, 06:09:24 am
....and in case you didn't notice:

SADiE 6 NATIVE is just around the corner!

We are beta testing it for a while now and all the good things about SADiE are there, now with added benefits of using 3rd party hardware, e.g. more i/o (first thing I used it on was a DVD 5.1 master, 6 ins 12 outs...)
Last weekend I used it at a onlocation recording of a chior, Fireface 800 as interface, add 8 mic pres, 12 sim. channels no problem what so ever, editing while recording was a breeze...
Did some more editing on the train going back with the built in laptop soundcard. Smile

There will be more work done, esp. in the VST and GUI areas.

cheers
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: lowland on March 29, 2010, 07:41:14 am
Yes, SADiE allows quite a lot of freedom while in record or play. I remember my first exposure to Avid when I used to do DVD authoring, and (this may have changed by now) how dismayed I was after using SADiE to discover that doing  just about anything in Avid while playing stopped playback.

As far as 6 is concerned, presumably working on the 'better late and right than on time and wrong' principle they told me the other day it won't appear in public for another couple of months, having been originally billed for release at the end of February. For someone like me who does mastering almost exclusively, doesn't use a lot of plug-ins and already has a 16 1/O machine I don't know how much of an advance the new software will be but I'm going with it anyway, mostly for the possibility of editing on a laptop anywhere - the garden's looking inviting now Spring is here!
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Jerry Tubb on March 29, 2010, 08:08:18 am
(perhaps a separate Sadie thread is warranted? ; - )

WaveLab users; tell us Mac guys ~why~ you like it, what it offers us.

Like I've already stated Sonic sB is working great for me.

Curious.

JT
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Ed Littman on March 29, 2010, 09:10:24 am
fuse wrote on Fri, 26 March 2010 11:23

Ed Littman wrote on Thu, 25 March 2010 15:48


Before the external loop i just used the live input plug.
iirc Brad wanted more routing options than WL offered but he can chime as to why jumped from it as his main daw.
Ed


Funny that you mention it. I actually asked Steinberg to build  mastering console functionality into Wavelab but they replied that nobody would use buy so would be hard to sell.
On the other hand trying to keep track of latencies and keeping everything in phase would be quite the challenge. That's why WL has only 1 external insert FX option.


I guess thats why they removed live input for WL5.With enough users moaning they put it it back with one of the updates. By that time i was just using the external loop plug.
Ed
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Greg Reierson on March 29, 2010, 09:37:53 am
Jerry Tubb wrote on Mon, 29 March 2010 07:08

(perhaps a separate Sadie thread is warranted? ; - )

WaveLab users; tell us Mac guys ~why~ you like it, what it offers us.


Stability and speed. I was a Sonic user (Classic and HD) for a decade before I switched after an Audio Cube demo (WL5). True, no 4-point edit (unless PG has finally taken our suggestion to heart for WL7) but the workaround is workable, and on balance I can still edit a classical piano album in about the same amount of time.

That said, I'll think about WL7 some time next year - after it's been proven to be as stable as WL6.


GR
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: MoreSpaceEcho on March 29, 2010, 07:39:46 pm
Jerry Tubb wrote on Mon, 29 March 2010 13:08


WaveLab users; tell us Mac guys ~why~ you like it, what it offers us.



it's all i've ever used for mastering so i think a large part of why i like it is because i'm just really used to it. also i haven't tried most of the other mastering-oriented DAW's so i honestly don't know if there's anything about wavelab that isn't standard on every other program.

but i've always found it really intuitive, i click here and it does what i expect it to do, drag there, same thing. which sounds dumb, but whenever i'm in another DAW i get frustrated when i can't move around with the same ease and speed. you can navigate around the montage really quickly and precisely with just the mouse, and i haven't found another program that works the same way.

editing in the montage is a joy, again it's really simple and intuitive, i find that the way wavelab displays the waveforms 'makes more sense' than other DAW's i've tried. depending on where the mouse is positioned over the clips, you can split them, move them, adjust start and end points, adjust fade in/outs, adjust volume/pan envelopes, etc. again, that's mostly standard stuff, but simply being able to split clips without having to select some damn scissors tool i find invaluble...

it has tons of features i never use, but they don't get in the way of the stuff i do use. the interface is pretty stripped down and straightforward and i like that. most other DAW's seem really cluttered to me.

the smart bypass is cool, i don't use it as much as i probably should.

and you can do pretty much everything you need to do right in the montage...i read about people using one program to do all the processing/analog captures and a different program for sequencing/pq/isrc/burning and it just seems nuts to me.

MTCW, YMMV, OMGWTFBBQ, etc.
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: soundroid on March 31, 2010, 02:33:34 am
does anyone know if WL7 allows metadata entry for BWF files?
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: TotalSonic on March 31, 2010, 02:59:28 am
soundroid wrote on Wed, 31 March 2010 02:33

does anyone know if WL7 allows metadata entry for BWF files?


Not sure about WL7 -
but this free cross platform utility app from Sound Devices does -
http://www.sounddevices.com/products/waveagent.htm

Best regards,
Steve Berson  
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: 24-96 Mastering on March 31, 2010, 08:13:25 am
soundroid wrote on Wed, 31 March 2010 08:33

does anyone know if WL7 allows metadata entry for BWF files?


Yes it does (you can set it in attributes of the file format settings, on the bottom of the 'save as' dialog).
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: bigaudioblowhard on March 31, 2010, 01:50:49 pm
Jerry Tubb wrote on Mon, 29 March 2010 06:08

(perhaps a separate Sadie thread is warranted? ; - )

WaveLab users; tell us Mac guys ~why~ you like it, what it offers us.

Like I've already stated Sonic sB is working great for me.

Curious.

JT


For Live Mastering, like you and I do (recording wild), I'd say WL may not offer much more than three  things.

1. You can rip in a whole CD with PQ and correct pauses.

2.* It creates a CD Text (ici?) file that sB doesn't

3. It allows creation of the "Minus 1 Track"

most of it otherwise is about comparable to sB, but thats three solid reasons to have it around, I may consider getting it.

*been awhile since my limited exposure to WL, maybe it doesn't do this

bab
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: pmx on March 31, 2010, 02:01:51 pm
i was told that not being able to put audio in the pregap is something due to the osx burning engine. that is why sb doesnt support it. kinda weird, because you wouldn't need the burning engine if you create just ddp's, i'd say. i would be interesting to see how wavelab is going to handle that in the mac version.
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: ak on March 31, 2010, 06:12:03 pm
Gold wrote on Fri, 26 March 2010 18:11

MoreSpaceEcho wrote on Fri, 26 March 2010 12:41


you can run up to 8 out/8 in, but there's only one external loop available.



I guess I don't understand what you mean by external loop. As long as you save one output for the monitor couldn't you run the other seven to the outside world and back in again?



Paul,

i think he mean there is just one analog chain loop. What is true.
So for vinyl mastering i would need at least 2.
would be great to have analog inserts in the CD montage for that
purpose.
So i would´t need another software like SAM.

greetings

Andreas

Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Thomas W. Bethel on April 01, 2010, 06:11:27 am
Jerry Tubb wrote on Mon, 29 March 2010 08:08

(perhaps a separate Sadie thread is warranted? ; - )

WaveLab users; tell us Mac guys ~why~ you like it, what it offers us.

Like I've already stated Sonic sB is working great for me.

Curious.

JT


I have been using WL since version 1.6

I use it on a daily basis and it just works.

I have done some pretty tricky editing on it and never had a problem. It works for classical editing, it works for radio production and it works for mastering. It does everything I want it to do and is stable.

The only other DAW I use is Samplitude for multitrack. I like it and it works well but I am just use to WaveLab.

One really good thing about WL is Philippe Goutier, the principle programmer and originator of WL. He is always on the WL forum and answers questions and takes to heart what people are asking for. How many other programmers can you talk to directly???

WL has not had a version upgrade in 4 years so everyone who owns the program is waiting for this one.

The only known problem with WL and it supposedly has been fixed in WL7 was the burning engine and if you were not using Plextor burning equipment lots of people had problems getting it to work. We have never had that problem (loud sound of Tom knocking on wood) so I guess I was just lucky and used the right equipment.

It also had some problems with WAVES plug ins but supposedly that was taken care of as well.

It is due out in the second half of this year and I cannot wait to see it.

All I can add is "TRY IT - YOU WILL LIKE IT"
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Gold on April 01, 2010, 10:14:26 am
Andreas,

Now I'm confused again. Could you describe what you do in samp that you can't do in wavelab?
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Table Of Tone on April 03, 2010, 01:06:41 pm
WaveLab 6 had me scratching my head for the first week or so, after I switched from sB to WL for capture and assembly duties, but after that, I started to really get into it!

I really love it now!

I use the AudioCube version!

On the few occasions I'm asked for DDP's instead of or as well as a PMCD, I use Sonoris DDP Creator.

I'll probably buy WL7 as well, in the fall of this year, when it's finally available, but will stay with AudioCube WaveLab 6 for capture as nothing can touch it!
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Silvertone on September 10, 2010, 08:45:57 am
Okay so here we are mid September... are they really going to wait till after AES to start shipping this?
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Thomas W. Bethel on September 10, 2010, 01:27:13 pm
PG, the author of WL, let it be known that he would be on vacation until the 10th of September which is today. Rumor has it that next week will be the release date but considering Yamaha and Steinberg's proclivity for drama when releasing new software and/or equipment it might just be at the AES show in the fall.

Only the "big guys" really know...for sure
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Bonati on October 14, 2010, 06:25:26 pm
I'm seriously thinking of taking the plunge to WL7 mac version. I have two self-built PCs here that run WL6 and WL5. I love the program and I'm fast on it. I've done a lot of customizing to both versions (function keys, label maker, etc etc) - does anyone know if it's possible to simply copy those preference files over to "mac WL7" and have it work? That label maker in WL is actually terrible but I spent the time to make it work really well and I don't want to do it over again.
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Dave Davis on October 15, 2010, 08:59:16 am
I've been testing WL7 over here for a week.  So far so good.

I doubt your prefs files will transfer properly, even on PC.  7 appears to be a total overhaul of the app.  The downside is that PC users face a similar learning curve to mac newbies.  The upside is both groups will have a very customizable, flexible and powerful app that does things the old ones didn't...

...like DDPs, as a stock feature in the Pro version, and the wonderful Sonnox n/r suite.  I've tested the DDP feature in both directions (opening/cutting from existing ddps made in other apps, loading back CD masters as DDPs, and opening/cutting from WL7 DDPs in other apps).  Works great with a minor caveat: loadbacks don't recapture all subcodes, due to issues with modern DVD-capable drives (they rely on data services, and don't read subcode).  Philippe, the author, is looking into fixing this.

The mac port is pretty good and stable already, but there are predictable issues with plugs.  PSP's newest plugs work great, the Master series, not so hot - it's workable, but barely.  YMMV depending on plugs you use.

OTOH the mac version doesn't always follow mac conventions, and it's often hard to find things.  In some respect it's like DP, with many key features hidden in little mini-menus and gadgets that are only visible in certain windows and conditions.  Fortunately, it's not terribly hard to customize the workspace.  If you put in a saturday or late night you could probably make WL look/feel like whichever DAW you normally use, at least functionally.

Frankly I'm pleased and amazed that it works as well as it does, since it's essentially version 1.0 on the mac.  If first release of major upgrades to Logic and WBP (or OSX for that matter) were as solid, no one would hesitate to rev-up and these forums would lose half their traffic! Wink

-d-
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Waltz Mastering on October 15, 2010, 12:22:31 pm
Dave Davis wrote on Fri, 15 October 2010 08:59



...like DDPs, as a stock feature in the Pro version, and the wonderful Sonnox n/r suite.  

I read a favorable review that Garret from Treelady wrote about the Sonnex oxford NR suite in the latest TapeOp.

I'm interested if you've had time to put the Sonnox n/r plugs through some paces or compared them to Izotope Rx.

I was going to pick up Rx, but thinking it's better to for go that for now and just pick up Wavelab and integrate that into a pitcher catcher set up and maybe be able to use the Sonnex suite on the very rare occasion.


Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Dave Davis on October 15, 2010, 05:09:32 pm
So far, my WL skillz are far from mad, so the simple answer is "not yet".

I also just got RX2, so I have what I need to compare.  In fact I actually did a bit of playing, and in that brief time I found RX2 to be a little cleaner sounding results, but I know the tools much better (from RX1) so it's not surprising.  I was pleased at how easy the sonnox stuff was to set up - very well designed, and laid out.  It's a real pleasure to use them, and I found it easier to get something passable with them.  Part of this is that I know how much better the slower modes of RX sound (which are all WAAAAY faster in RX2), and tend to use them, whereas I'm just learning Sonnox, and only using it real time.

-d-
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Waltz Mastering on October 15, 2010, 10:25:29 pm
Thx. I'll most likely give WL a go in the next couple weeks and add Rx soon after.
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Dave Davis on October 17, 2010, 09:00:08 am
 Probably the right answer.  RX2 Advanced does a bunch of things Sonnox doesn't.  The pitch/time transpo, adaptive de-noising and new selection options are terrific and unique.  It's also great to see DC offset detect/fix and azimuth correction becoming a more common forensic tool in both apps and specialized plugs like RX.

RX's app is a great environment for forensic work, in many respects more useful than WL simply due to focus.  The new plug-processing capabilities and improved batch processor make production de-noising very efficient, on top of the amazing capabilities offered.  I really like working in the RX daw-app a lot.  Worth the price of admission.  I don't see WL replacing it over here... especially if you can insert WL's Sonnox plugs in an RX rack! Wink
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: SafeandSound on February 07, 2011, 06:59:02 am
I still have not yet migrated to V7 as yet (old machine still doing the job very nicely) However I have found a good DVD tutorial on Wavelab7.

http://www.musiclab.com.au/product-info/books-dvds/tutorial- dvds/ask-video-wavelab-7-tutorial-dvd

cheers
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Jerry Tubb on February 07, 2011, 10:38:51 am
SafeandSound wrote on Mon, 07 February 2011 05:59

However I have found a good DVD tutorial on Wavelab7.


Apparently you can download it over here for cheaper:

https://www.askvideo.com/product_info.php?products_id=278

JT
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: SafeandSound on February 07, 2011, 02:59:34 pm
Yes, Time and Space, distribute it in UK for a
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Bonati on February 08, 2011, 06:05:48 pm
Just getting up and going with WL7 on a new mac pro. I'm liking it so far but there's a lot of new stuff to learn. Plus they did weird little things like changing the default position of the master section to the left side instead of the right. Familiar yet strange.
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Dave Davis on February 11, 2011, 09:09:11 am
After struggling with it for a few months, WL7's striking out as a "main axe", and while I'm not sure it will ever be more than a useful teaching tool and tweaker for me, I have hope.

As a part-time teacher I learn new DAWs and apps all the time, so the intimidating learning curve wasn't too daunting. I was demoing it as an alternative to Adobe Audition for a class I'm teaching now. It failed the demo, partly because the edu version costs a bit more than I want students to spend (essentially the same price as PT, which is an industry standard we must respect in higher ed), but mostly because it's gui is an explosion of windows, some intimately connected, some entirely disconnected, with no easy way to tell which is which. Changing settings in the master section can result in changes on files AND montages, or neither, depending on whether the engineer's paying attention.

Another problem is terminology. They use their own. Exports aren't exports or bounces, but renders. Saves may or may not render, depending where you happen to be in the app (files may or may not render with save command, depending on settings; montages NEVER render on save, only on render). This is a deal breaker for educational uses; you cannot ask students to learn a unique set of terms just to use a DAW! Adobe Audition Mac beta version is far better in this regard, and of course PT has literally defined many conventions WL7 continues trying to buck.

Many great, powerful analysis tools are hindered by an inability to save/store/access reports in useful formats, or keep them around to compare with subsequent runs... many are just gui windows, so you need a pen and paper or a screencap util you can name to retain details. This is baffling to me, as it's a strong point of the app, and defeats the purpose of many measurements. It's as if someone just wanted to check off a "feature" for the marketing goons, with no intent or mechanism to use the feature in the real world.

As with any DAW many plugs don't work out of the box. What's different is attitude. As definer-of-VST, Steinberg's quick to blame plug makers for problems, even when the same plugs work in every other Steinberg app. That's generally fair enough, but frustrating when something you need falls off the wagon.

While some claim it's quasi-capable as a 2,3,4 point editor, I say not so much. You can certainly imitate those models, and duplicate the desirable aspects in WL ways, but it's going to take an extra click here and there (eg move between montages). But this isn't a real disadvantage. It's got some cool editing tools and modes that the 2/3/4 pointers lack... you can shuffle tracks very flexibly, insert and delete objects while keeping relative relationships intact. It's hard to explain until you try it, but once you get used to it's way of assembling albums, you find it a very powerful model. It's far easier to just cut a quick CD in WL7 than Soundblade. The trick is knowing which window to use to get that done!

Earlier Tom said it was the most intuitive program he'd ever used. Maybe V6, but V7 is most-hindered by it's lack of documentation. The pdf is just a text dump of the online help system, which itself is truly awful. Its content lacks any direct connection to the popsicle-stick explosion of gui windows - not even diagrams or figures to show you're in the right place! Sometimes it's terms don't match your available options - for instance, disc burning and ddp stuff is invisible in some window configurations it calls "workspaces". If you're not using "Ultimate" or something like that, many essential commands are entirely hidden! Nothing intuitive about that.  Equally counterintuitive, it doesn't use mac help conventions, instead "rolling it's own" utilities, making it that much harder to use than it needs to be. Worst of all it's web-based, and on mac's that can affect playback fidelity... iow if you're using help or have the help system active, you can't trust captures and real time processes. But given all the windows, you may not even know Help windows are open, once hidden by other parts of the gui. Uh oh.

That's a small matter, because I've not found it's "External Gear" master insert to be reliable enough to use in the background. Every test has failed - I get gaps in rendered files, drop outs etc. It simply doesn't work reliably enough to trust. I've found it better to playback a montage and capture in another app, than to trust real time "renders" of WL7. Soundblade's capture-in-place and capture to new tracks actually works in a single app, all the time no matter what's going on, so that's a better option over here. Logic and Reaper are fully capable of external gear insert, "render" or bounce, and capture as well. Buggy Audition beta can do it too.

On the plus side, I like the montage a lot. If you could insert external gear on "tracks" I'd probably get more serious about it, but I'm sure they'll fix this stuff. Many issues were fixed in the first upgrade, and on mac, it's still a 1.0, so patience is required. If you isolate the app's interface from the system, External Gear works well enough to do captures externally.  I love the analysis tools - when they have basic text output I'll love them more. And while the docs and Steiny's support are atrocious, the old WL6 manual is sufficiently well written and similar to learn the conventions and get things done in WL7. While you may not be able to get there, the support forum is well-manned by the program's author, so answers are available.

Bottom line: I've discovered no issues a diligent engineer cannot work around or sort out.  I can wait until the issues are fixed to get more serious about the app, and have faith it will improve. As a mac user, I'm thankful to have such a powerful option available to me. I have confidence it will get better and better, and as a 1.0 release on mac I find it an impressive start.

-d-
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Greg Reierson on February 11, 2011, 09:50:06 am
I just bought the ASK Video WL7 tutorial. I haven't jumped in yet but it looks promising. I completely agree that WL7 seems to be a mess compared to WL6 and I really can't see moving to it any time soon, but maybe the tutorial will help me make the eventual switch.

EDIT: It reminds me a bit of when Sonic moved from Classic to HD. We all complained about all of the changes and the new learning curve. They said the changes were necessary, etc. So a lot of us did learn a new interface - but it wasn't Sonic! This could be the move that pushes me into a Sequoia system.


GR
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: masterhse on February 11, 2011, 06:11:08 pm
Thanks for the update gentlemen!
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: SafeandSound on February 18, 2011, 01:39:23 pm
Incidently anyone yet tried a DDP creation in WL7 compared with DDP creator?

Is Wavelab easy or a pain, I am still meaning to get my DVD and learn it sometime but no chances yet.
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: jdg on February 18, 2011, 08:53:01 pm
just press the burn CD button and choose DDP output
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: MoreSpaceEcho on February 18, 2011, 09:50:55 pm
Dave Davis wrote on Fri, 11 February 2011 14:09


Saves may or may not render, depending where you happen to be in the app (files may or may not render with save command, depending on settings; montages NEVER render on save, only on render).


curious why you would ever want a montage to render on save? that would be a nightmare of unnecessary files.

Quote:


That's a small matter, because I've not found it's "External Gear" master insert to be reliable enough to use in the background. Every test has failed - I get gaps in rendered files, drop outs etc. It simply doesn't work reliably enough to trust.


this has got to be a problem unique to WL7, as its always worked flawlessly for me in WL6. i just capture back to a new track in the montage, never had a single problem.

still haven't seen anything about WL7 that makes me want to upgrade from 6 though...
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: SafeandSound on February 19, 2011, 06:30:08 am
Smooth, that sounds straight forward ; )
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Table Of Tone on February 20, 2011, 08:46:59 am
SafeandSound wrote on Fri, 18 February 2011 18:39

Incidently anyone yet tried a DDP creation in WL7 compared with DDP creator?

Is Wavelab easy or a pain, I am still meaning to get my DVD and learn it sometime but no chances yet.

WL7 seems to put the ISRC codes in twice for each track, last time I tried it.
Not sure if this will cause problems at the plant?

Never had any problems using DDP Creator!
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: SafeandSound on February 20, 2011, 10:07:59 am
Wavelab is cheap. It does a lot. It ever so slightly gives me a sensation of unreliablity at a stage where such feelings should have no place, I scrutinize every disk it makes, inside out.

Doubly so for a new version when I get round to it.

Thanks for the heads up.

Glad SADiE is here by my side.
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Glenn Bucci on February 22, 2011, 12:54:59 pm
I used Wavelab 5 and then 6 for mastering. However once I purchased Samplitude 10, I liked it a lot better (once I learned it). I think part of the reason was the work flow is just like working in a normal DAW like Cubase, Sonar, or Logic. You have your mixer, and arranger page to work with. I found Samplitude for mastering very in depth and complicated. The manual was too simplistic and it did not explain clearly all the features that the program has. There is a guy though on the Samplitude web site that has created free tutorials that gave very clear explanation on how to use the program. Since then I can't think of using another program for mastering. I am so use to it, and I know how to work through it very nicely.

With that said, ever since I went to Windows 7 64 bit, my code meter for Samplitude does not work right. I always have to take the dongle out and back in again to open up Samplitude. In addition, their excellent Ammunition plug in froze on me the last time I worked with it. I clearly like Samplitude better than Wavelab 6. However after reading the review on Wavelab 7.    http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/dec10/articles/wavelab-7.htm
I was amazed on how much they actually improved it. So for a $100 upgrade I decided to purchase it and give it a go.

Here a couple of highlights on Wavelab 7 review from Sound on Sound.
1. Windows Switcher, a small and resizeable floating window that remains visible at all times — even, by default, after switching to another application, although you can disable this if you wish — and which lets you leap straight into audio file editing, multitrack montage, batch-processing or podcasting duties.

2. here are also several dozen editing, viewing and analysis functions that you can now open in the new Tab area inside tabbed ‘tool windows’, covering such things as various metering alternatives, marker creation and editing, file browsing, error detection and correction, spectrum editing options and so on.  I always liked that Wavelab has an error detection, and it fixes these little clicks in recordings with a press of a button.

3. You can also create your own Tab Group arrangements by splitting an existing group, horizontally or vertically, using the icons in each workspace area.

4. the new ‘Position on screen’ option also helps to streamline your working methods by offering 25 predefined choices for each instance of the Wavelab 7 application, ranging from the ‘Full screen view’, to (for example) Wavelab occupying the top or left half of the screen, or the bottom right-hand quarter of the screen. This flexibility makes it very easy to create split-screen views with your sequencer application, Internet browser, or even tiling multiple instances of Wavelab 7 itself.

5. The Montage is also much more streamlined now, partly because of the new Workspace flexibility, but mainly because of the new ‘Focused clip’ menu: right-click anywhere over a montage clip and this new menu appears, displaying collapsible ‘accordion’ panes covering Edit, Cue Point, Envelope, Fade-in, Fade-out and Colour options. I found these much quicker to use than Wavelab 6’s floating nested menus, since you can always see all relevant parameters.

6. The Master Section  also sports some handy new additions. These include dedicated buttons to toggle individual plug-in windows between visible and invisible status, locking of individual plug-in slots so they ignore the bypass function and when loading new Master Section presets, and the ability to force the Master Section meters to display the output level at any stage of your plug-in chain (useful for detecting overloads and so on)

7. The smart bypass options that match in/out levels in various ways, so you can A/B with or without effects at the same subjective level, are now part of the Master Section itself, and this function cleverly defaults to the ‘A’ and ‘B’ keyboard shortcuts, so you can perform A/B tests without a second thought.

8. Its previous generic lower-quality options have now been abandoned in favour of the latest Dirac 2.2 algorithms, which offer various code enhancements, as well as additional options to modulate time-stretching and pitch formant-correction over time in a graphic window, and preserve formants when pitch quantising. For those working in more extreme audio editing environments — such as sound designers, who may routinely pitch-shift by several octaves to create special effects — these tools now also support sample rates up to a massive 384kHz, as does the Crystal Resampler tool.

9. The majority of the 30 new bundled VST3 plug-ins will already be familiar to Nuendo users, and many to Cubase users too. They include a very effective selection of EQs, single and multi-band compressors, chorus/delays, and special effects such as an Envelope Shaper and Octaver, plus tools to (for instance) mix down surround mixes to stereo. Of special note are Nuendo’s very flexible Post Filter, with its low/high cut and up to eight notch filters for cleaning up audio material, the four-band Multi-band Compressor and four-band parametric Studio EQ, and the versatile Roomworks reverb. In addition there are  Sonnox restoration plug-ins De-Noiser, De-Clicker and De-Buzzer.

10. Wavelab 7 features a completely rewritten burning engine designed for greater reliability, which for the first time allows you to burn an audio CD from an industry-standard DDP (Disc Description Protocol) image file, as well as offering DDP as an output format, for reliable error-protected transfer of files intended for optical disc duplication that can even be safely transmitted across an Internet link.

11. Multi Core improvements.

With so many improvements, it seemed quite silly not to check it out. With Montage you can put each song on a different track and add different effects to the separate tracks as well.
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: MoreSpaceEcho on February 23, 2011, 02:08:18 am
you can put 'em on the same track and just add plugs to the individual clips. easier and neater!
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Thomas W. Bethel on February 23, 2011, 06:43:26 am
I have been struggling with WL7 since it came out. We are still using WL6 for all our mastering work with clients. WL7 is still in its "proof" phase and we only use it when there are no clients around. I have used WL since version 1.6 and have always felt it was very easy to use and produced superior results but with this version it feels clunky and a PITA to use. We also had some distortion issues early on which turned out to be some settings in the buffers (????) and it crashed a lot until we put in version 7.01.

We recently purchased an Upgrade to WL7 for our video editing suite. It is the Mac version and I have to say that the GUI looks weird compared to most Mac software and it looks like you are running WL on a PC on a Mac.

Philippe Goutier, the author of WL, is one of the best people around when it comes to authoring DAW software and is available on the WL forums to answer questions. I think in this case he was either too concerned with making the program compatible with MAC or he just took it in the wrong direction for ???? reasons.

Anyway I am still a loyal WL user but until I feel very comfortable with WL7 we will continue to use WL6.

There is NO GOOD DOCUMENTATION with WL7, it does not come with a printed manual and what documentation there is sucks! Now I understand that for $45 you can get a DVD that explains how it works - the DVD is not from Steinberg but even so Steinberg really dropped the ball.

FWIW and YMMV
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Bonati on February 23, 2011, 08:14:27 pm
Still not adjusted here either. It's going to take awhile. I'm only using WL7 in a "pitching" capacity at the moment though. No dropouts yet, and I don't have the 7.0.1 update. Using the Lynx AES16eSRC card.

Steinberg & PG should be ashamed for not providing a manual. It shows both laziness and contempt for the user base.
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Steve Kitch on February 24, 2011, 09:38:45 am
I am a bit of a sucker for switching to the latest version. I made the jump to v7 for pro work fairly soon after getting it. I've been using Wavelab since the beginning. V7 certainly isn't perfect but there are a lot of improvements that I can no longer live without. Being able to save master presets along with the track file is handy. Especially when transferring between machines. Being able to do DDPs is great. Especially compared to the cost of purchasing even the cheapest alternative. Rendering is quicker. The file browser makes the work flow quicker when opening new files. The Sonnox plugins are ok although I've not had a chance to have a proper play with them yet. Oh and Mac and PC compatibility! These are the key benefits for me plus many smaller ones.
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: bkuijt on February 25, 2011, 01:37:42 pm
I really looked forward to WL on mac because I do miss a utility software to quickly open files for preview when I'm not on Pyramix.
But I'm checking out Reaper now instead... so far the logic in WL7 just completely escapes me.
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Thomas W. Bethel on February 26, 2011, 11:16:52 am
bkuijt wrote on Fri, 25 February 2011 13:37

 so far the logic in WL7 just completely escapes me.


And the same thing can be said by many people using it. It just is not as smooth in operation as WL 6.

One problem is windows disappearing and then later reappearing when you click on something else on the screen. I can do almost anything in WL6 without having to resort to the manual or help file. WL7 is still not very intuitive. PG, the author of WL, says that 7.02 will be a "good" update. Now if only Steinberg would release a manual for WL 7.0 things would be easier and hopefully make the program more "user friendly".

One option I would like to see is one giving the operator the choice between the "old" interface and the "new" one.

One word seems to sum up my feelings about 7.0 and that is "clunky".
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: soundroid on March 02, 2011, 05:53:44 pm
is wavelab 6 able to generate a ddp file with Cd text?

Joe
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Greg Reierson on March 02, 2011, 06:09:49 pm
soundroid wrote on Wed, 02 March 2011 16:53

is wavelab 6 able to generate a ddp file with Cd text?


Not natively, but it can export Cue sheets that can be imported by Sonoris DDP Creator.

http://www.sonorissoftware.com/catalog/ddp-creator-p-47.html ?osCsid=df28c24ea33c11cf2cde1947eefc9014

Works great!


GR
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: soundroid on March 02, 2011, 10:15:23 pm
thanks Greg.

I assume this is the the same for WL7.
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Dave Rose on March 05, 2011, 08:06:20 am
I was undecided about Wavelab...but the fact you can't export DDP  is probably the deciding factor
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Greg Reierson on March 05, 2011, 10:58:08 pm
Dave Rose wrote on Sat, 05 March 2011 07:06

I was undecided about Wavelab...but the fact you can't export DDP  is probably the deciding factor


Don't let it be. With Sonoris DDP Creator, it's so easy to export a Cue Sheet and then create a DDP that you'll barely notice you've left Wavelab. Given the choice, I'd rather have WL6 and DDP Creator than WL7 with it's native DDP option.


GR
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: Table Of Tone on March 06, 2011, 04:07:49 pm
Greg Reierson wrote on Sun, 06 March 2011 03:58

Dave Rose wrote on Sat, 05 March 2011 07:06

I was undecided about Wavelab...but the fact you can't export DDP  is probably the deciding factor


Don't let it be. With Sonoris DDP Creator, it's so easy to export a Cue Sheet and then create a DDP that you'll barely notice you've left Wavelab. Given the choice, I'd rather have WL6 and DDP Creator than WL7 with it's native DDP option.


GR

I have to say that I agree with you on that one!

I use WL6 and Sonoris DDPC all the time.

I bought the upgrade for WL7 but will be holding off from properly using it until they bring through the updates to really get it nailed.
Title: Re: Wavelab 7 for Mac!
Post by: bkuijt on March 06, 2011, 05:51:16 pm
Sorry, please delete