timrob wrote on Fri, 28 October 2005 13:30 |
rankus wrote on Fri, 28 October 2005 12:57 |
timrob wrote on Fri, 28 October 2005 10:37 |
rankus wrote on Fri, 28 October 2005 12:21 |
In fact the console could be a Berhinger if all its used for is monotoring (using outboard quality pre's in the recording chain of course).
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Certainly, if all you use is console pres. I generally go mic->pre->comp(if needed)->input. In this case, there is no way to avoid some latency. Even on a ProTools system there will be some. Actually, the only way would be to mult the output of the pre or compressor, but then when you have to punch-in you have to change your monitor path.
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Yes you record through the quality pre and mult that to the console.... No issues with punch in. I have used Neves while monitoring through a Berhinger.....
No need to use the console pre's at all.!
I agree with an earlier poster about not posting unless you know your statements to be fact..... Too many myths getting started this way.
I record all day, every day, with the setup I mentioned above,,,, no latency no issues of any kind... works exactly the same as a tape machine studio... Let the "tape" run and hit the record button (mouse) when you want to punch.....
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Rick, Perhaps you could describe your setup in greater detail. I'm using both ProTools and Nuendo w/ ProTools hardware. So, I don't have to deal with the latency issue unless I'm using another studio's rig.
I wasn't trying to spread misinformation, only speaking from experience that I have had working with Native systems(Primarily, Nuendo and Logic) in other studios.
BTW, I helped build one of the systems on your long list of Nuendo users. In that particular case, he uses an O2R96 for I/O and monitoring.
It took about two years to get all the bugs worked out of the system. Custom built P4 with all the bells and whistles. Finally with Nuendo 3 the system is stable and truly functional.
I'm not anti-native. I just haven't come across a system that has the kind of low latency that my ProTools TDM hardware has monitoring straight thru the box. Even 64 samples is still way more than I get in PT. I'd love find another platform that was actually cheaper, sounded as good, and left me with most of my hair at the end of the day. Oh and fits in my front pocket, too.
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Hi Tim,
Well the method I use when using outboard pre's with a console is pretty straight forward:
On the Neves we rent they have both XLR's and TRS 1/4" outs for the 8 pre's. (This is a custom rack of 8 pre's put together with power supply and a bunch of IO options on the rear of the rack).... I simply plug the mic into the input, the XLR out goes to the recorder (RME Multiface analog interface/ converters). The other out for that strip (TRS 1/4") is routed to the Berhinger board channel in for monotoring only...
The two channel (2buss) out from Nuendo / RME also goes to the board for monitoring whats already on tape.
SO all the recorded tracks are coming into the Berhinger from Nuendo in stereo, and the tracks that are recording go straight into the RME I/O, with a split coming into channels on the Berhinger to blend with the in the box mix.... 0 Latency, with any pre.... (Or even the highest sample settings)I imagine you could also use a ballanced splitter on the back of any pre that dosent have 2 or more outs (Most of mine do)
The simplicity of this system in use is pretty much identical to using tape with an analog board.
This costs me about the same as a Mackie big knob with tons more functionality, such as aux sends , seperate cue mixes, effects to the cans only etc.... (While the "to tape" path is pristine....)
I use a Berhinger MX9000 (24/48 into 8 buss)... Basicaly a Mackie 2408 rippoff. (You can get them for $400.00 on Ebay)
GAWD I'm admitting to using a Berhinger board on
this forum... I will never be able to show my face again.
PS: Tim please accept my appologies for my comments earlier... It was "BC" (Before Coffee).... All the best... respect.
PPS: As others have stated, My native system was built by myself with a decade of experience in building and trouble shooting my own sytems... Past systems were fraught with troubleshooting headaches etc. But this current system that I built 6 months ago went together like leggo and has had zero issues... not even one hang....
I don't like the IBM stuff, Tim (P4)... I stick with ASUS MoBo's and Athlon chips.... Avoid VIA Southbridge Chipsets...
The best way to build a system is to buy the software, then the interface that is proven to work well with the software (Nuendo/RME example)... only then start to purchase computer components that both the Software and Hardware suppliers BOTH recomend and agree on.... Problems are more likely if you use any old computer and then stick some software on it. If your goods are recent with recent drivers then it should be a breeze..... Tim's freind with the O2r having problems was two years ago.... (two years ago we were
all still having issues)
Terry: Nuendo does have dedicated hardware. RME makes boxes that are designed for use with Steinberg DAWS... (I don't have them though)
Once again: Wicked thread. I am soooo glad that the Nuendo crew has a chance to show our enthusiasum without persecution!
PPSS: Saw, Samp, and Logic are all wicked apps as well... I love the way Logic sounds but can't dig the interface...