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jason goz

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Re: Euphonic Analog Transfer Console (ATC-1)
« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2005, 10:15:37 am »

Thanks
Another question...
Why have you not used shielded wire?
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Re: Euphonic Analog Transfer Console (ATC-1)
« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2005, 10:16:52 am »

Jason Goz wrote on Tue, 23 August 2005 09:15

Why have you not used shielded wire?

The entire chassis is shielded...
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Re: Euphonic Analog Transfer Console (ATC-1)
« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2005, 12:10:29 pm »

ammitsboel wrote on Tue, 23 August 2005 08:48

Relays don't sound as good as switches.




Mehcanical relays are switches.

My experience has been that a good gold contact switch and a good relay (Aromat, Magnecraft) sound exactly the same. Each offer functional advantages, but neither seem to impact the sound in any significant way.

What's your evidence that switches sound better than good relays? I'm really interested since I use relays often.


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Re: Euphonic Analog Transfer Console (ATC-1)
« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2005, 12:54:18 pm »

Brad
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The Shallcos were chosen as they have a large surface area and the action of the wiper across the surface keeps the contact surface clean. That and they are mil-spec and will be working fine long after I'm dead (reliability).


I like your style...where can i get those shallcos switches from.

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Re: Euphonic Analog Transfer Console (ATC-1)
« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2005, 01:31:34 pm »

ammitsboel wrote on Tue, 23 August 2005 17:48

Jason Goz wrote on Tue, 23 August 2005 13:27

1,Why no relays?
Relays don't sound as good as switches.




  Relays are just switches. Why do you think they are not so good?
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Re: Euphonic Analog Transfer Console (ATC-1)
« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2005, 01:53:37 pm »

ammitsboel wrote on Tue, 23 August 2005 14:48

Jason Goz wrote on Tue, 23 August 2005 13:27

1,Why no relays?
Relays don't sound as good as switches.



One million dollars awaits you Henrik.

If you can hear the difference between a decent inert-gas filled relay and a switched attenuator you're wasted in the music industry, honestly - if I had a talent like that I'd be off to enroll in the Intelligence Services. The cold war may be over, but I'm sure they'll make an exception for someone with an ability like that.

Aren't you in danger of giving away trade-secrets showing people what's in your box Brad? Surely the business angle would be to seal the case and suggest something magical was going on under the hood :-) Clean work btw!

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Re: Euphonic Analog Transfer Console (ATC-1)
« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2005, 06:20:23 pm »

justin.... with the talent you have they have an open position as chairman here... Very Happy

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Re: Euphonic Analog Transfer Console (ATC-1)
« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2005, 10:33:48 am »

Greg Reierson wrote on Tue, 23 August 2005 17:10

ammitsboel wrote on Tue, 23 August 2005 08:48

Relays don't sound as good as switches.




Mehcanical relays are switches.

My experience has been that a good gold contact switch and a good relay (Aromat, Magnecraft) sound exactly the same. Each offer functional advantages, but neither seem to impact the sound in any significant way.

What's your evidence that switches sound better than good relays? I'm really interested since I use relays often.

My experiences has just been lesser with relays compared to switches.
I think if you really have to be anal about it and make it as good as possible then I would use switches instead of relays.
I haven't studied why exactly this is thoug. Maybe the material... maybe because they are... dare I say it... MAGNETIC!!!

Henrik
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Re: Euphonic Analog Transfer Console (ATC-1)
« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2005, 12:00:31 pm »

ammitsboel wrote on Wed, 24 August 2005 10:33

Greg Reierson wrote on Tue, 23 August 2005 17:10

ammitsboel wrote on Tue, 23 August 2005 08:48

Relays don't sound as good as switches.




Mehcanical relays are switches.

My experience has been that a good gold contact switch and a good relay (Aromat, Magnecraft) sound exactly the same. Each offer functional advantages, but neither seem to impact the sound in any significant way.

What's your evidence that switches sound better than good relays? I'm really interested since I use relays often.

My experiences has just been lesser with relays compared to switches.
I think if you really have to be anal about it and make it as good as possible then I would use switches instead of relays.
I haven't studied why exactly this is thoug. Maybe the material... maybe because they are... dare I say it... MAGNETIC!!!

Henrik



Maybe because our ears play tricks on us when we evaluate solo and not in the blind.
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Re: Euphonic Analog Transfer Console (ATC-1)
« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2005, 04:14:44 pm »

Jason Goz wrote on Tue, 23 August 2005 11:54

where can i get those shallcos switches from.

http://www.shallco.com/
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Re: Euphonic Analog Transfer Console (ATC-1)
« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2005, 08:42:41 am »

Ronny wrote on Wed, 24 August 2005 17:00

Maybe because our ears play tricks on us when we evaluate solo and not in the blind.

I think if you are not tired, hungry, stoned, depressed or having hangovers then you should be able to catch these differences with no troubles.

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Re: Euphonic Analog Transfer Console (ATC-1)
« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2005, 11:34:58 am »

ammitsboel wrote on Thu, 25 August 2005 13:42

I think if you are not tired, hungry, stoned, depressed or having hangovers then you should be able to catch these differences with no troubles.


The difference between relays and switches?

Are you joking?

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Re: Euphonic Analog Transfer Console (ATC-1)
« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2005, 12:11:16 pm »

jlarcombe wrote on Thu, 25 August 2005 11:34

ammitsboel wrote on Thu, 25 August 2005 13:42

I think if you are not tired, hungry, stoned, depressed or having hangovers then you should be able to catch these differences with no troubles.


The difference between relays and switches?

Are you joking?





This reminds of a discussion I heard once, where they were arguing about the differences between corvettes and stingrays.
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Re: Euphonic Analog Transfer Console (ATC-1)
« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2005, 01:05:45 am »

ammitsboel wrote on Wed, 24 August 2005 15:33

MAGNETIC!!!


I asked you this in some previous topic months ago, but you didn't answer.

If you place a horseshoe magnet next your speaker cables, do you hear a difference?

A relay's coil is in a magnetic state in one position only. It's up to the designer whether that's in IN or OUT state, in the case of a bypass switch for example. Even then, designers tend to use DC operated relays, which means you don't have a small 50hz magnetic field next to your signal.
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Re: Euphonic Analog Transfer Console (ATC-1)
« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2005, 01:34:44 am »

Ronny wrote on Fri, 26 August 2005 02:11

jlarcombe wrote on Thu, 25 August 2005 11:34

ammitsboel wrote on Thu, 25 August 2005 13:42

I think if you are not tired, hungry, stoned, depressed or having hangovers then you should be able to catch these differences with no troubles.


The difference between relays and switches?

Are you joking?





This reminds of a discussion I heard once, where they were arguing about the differences between corvettes and stingrays.



Sheesh.....EVERYONE knows the corvette is a marine creature
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