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Offline acorec

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How many still edit analog with a razor blade?
« on: June 30, 2005, 11:04:50 am »
A question I would like answers to. How many of you guys still cut tape? I would imagine that a DAW and digital editing saves tons of $$$, but, do studios still cut tape?

Offline J.J. Blair

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Re: How many still edit analog with a razor blade?
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2005, 11:22:10 am »
I sometimes splice takes together on the 2" when called for.  I know that Nick Launay does lots of splicing with 2".
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Offline electrical

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Re: How many still edit analog with a razor blade?
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2005, 11:33:37 am »
I do, every time. Pocket knives are too unreliable.
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Offline Greg Reierson

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Re: How many still edit analog with a razor blade?
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2005, 11:41:26 am »
electrical wrote on Thu, 30 June 2005 10:33

I do, every time. Pocket knives are too unreliable.


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Offline Rail Jon Rogut

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Re: How many still edit analog with a razor blade?
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2005, 11:43:35 am »
The recently released Ry Cooder "Chavez Ravine" album I recorded was tracked to 2" and I did some edits (although I had a hard time finding a grease pencil at the studio).

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Offline Sarusan

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Re: How many still edit analog with a razor blade?
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2005, 03:48:24 pm »
The last time was a year ago.  Wish it were more often.  I tell you, after splicing together a 2" master you feel like you've done something.  Don't think that you ever get that feeling of satisfaction with a DAW.

Another interesting thing I've noticed is that artists respond really strongly to it.  They see the blade and suddenly they're making a "real" record instead of continuing the demo.

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Offline Plush

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Re: How many still edit analog with a razor blade?
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2005, 04:17:11 pm »
Definitely still cutting tape here--1/4" and 1/2".
Doing it for convenience, time saving and because I've always done it.


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Offline Matthew J Barnhart

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Re: How many still edit analog with a razor blade?
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2005, 04:37:16 pm »
I'm a relatively young buck (28), and I edit 2" tape whenever necessary during tracking, and 1/4" during every mixing session. I've never bounced anything from the 2" to the DAW for editing, then back to tape either.

It's plenty fast for me and the bands I work with, and considering the amount of editing I'm doing the cost isn't any more than it would be using a DAW.

Then again, I'm not making disco records.

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Offline Greg Youngman

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Re: How many still edit analog with a razor blade?
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2005, 05:29:33 pm »
I'm an old guy (52).  I like the pocket knife answer!!!  I wonder now, if we'll get into a "what razor blades are the best" thread??

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Offline J.J. Blair

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Re: How many still edit analog with a razor blade?
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2005, 06:39:00 pm »
Ten years ago, I had to make a track sound like a record was skipping, and I achieved it all through tapes edits.  It was tedious, but I was so proud of myself.  My internship at the ad agency after highschool really paid off!

Also, before DAW was affordable (only Sonic Solutions back then), and before I had a 1/2", I had to edit about 200 minutes of comedy material into a 74 minute CD all on the 2" @ 15 ips.  One of the only times I wished I had a DAW instead of tape.
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"The Internet enables pompous blowhards to interact with other pompous blowhards in a big circle jerk of pomposity." - Bill Maher

"The negative aspects of this business, not only will continue to prevail, but will continue to accelerate in madness. Conditions aren't going to get better, because the economics of rock and roll are getting closer and closer to the economics of Big Business America." - Bill Graham

Offline satisfactory

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Re: How many still edit analog with a razor blade?
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2005, 10:10:39 pm »
yessir!

mostly 1/2" 8trk here

yesterday i had to fix a late snare drum hit.

i definitely prefer editing to:
reading a magazine or
dicking around on the interweb or
whatever i'm usually doing while The Band is Doing The Rock.

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Offline vernier

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Re: How many still edit analog with a razor blade?
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2005, 10:45:15 pm »
Digital editing will be obsolete (I give it two years max) .. and computers (as well as the net) will be completely gone (in probably shorter time than digital lasts) so, it's be probably best to stock up on blades now (as much as you can afford).

Offline Ronny

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Re: How many still edit analog with a razor blade?
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2005, 11:17:01 pm »


I haven't used a splicing block in over 10 years. Just doesn't make sense if the final product is cd or dvd. It's much faster to load in and edit in the digital domain. It's more precise. If you screw up you can undo the damage with a push of the button. The tapes will archive better without splicing tape. You don't risk having a splice come loose and dump tape on the floor. I can't understand why anyone would splice when they can edit non-destructively.
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Offline wwittman

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Re: How many still edit analog with a razor blade?
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2005, 11:49:59 pm »
Sure. Cutting tape is really no big deal.

Actually re: pocket knives... Geoff Daking used ot carry a sharpened one that he'd edit 2" tape with... as he really liked how it freaked out the client.
You have to admire that.


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Offline Matthew J Barnhart

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Re: How many still edit analog with a razor blade?
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2005, 01:07:52 am »
Ronny wrote on Fri, 01 July 2005 04:17

I haven't used a splicing block in over 10 years. Just doesn't make sense if the final product is cd or dvd.


My perspective (stolen outright from engineers much smarter than I) is that the band's "final product" is the master tape that they'll keep forever, not the pressed CD.

In fifty years, if they're so lucky, Dave Collins III will remaster their record for release as Super Whizbang Infinite Bandwidth Telepathic Impression Music (SWIBTIM -- Copyright Me!), and the record will play back exactly the same as it did when the band made it.

DC III also won't be able to bill 10,000 Space Rubles per hour, recreating edits that I did for peanuts (or, more precisely, Thai food with peanut sauce) half a century before.

This then leads us into the analog vs. digital storage debate, which shouldn't really be entertaining for anyone at this point, right?

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