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Rail Jon Rogut

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Re: ToTo - The standard for Sound Engineering
« Reply #30 on: November 22, 2004, 02:13:07 AM »

... and I thought I was just being colorful  Cool

Wasn't Record One one of your first installations?

BTW saw your EQ running under XP at DigiWorld... do you have a shipping date?

Cheers.

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Re: ToTo - The standard for Sound Engineering
« Reply #31 on: November 22, 2004, 03:47:58 AM »

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Exactly the "Tambu" is the standard I use.(and others)

Good job!!
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Eric Rudd

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Re: ToTo - The standard for Sound Engineering
« Reply #32 on: November 22, 2004, 10:37:15 AM »

George Massenburg wrote on Mon, 22 November 2004 02:25

Rail Jon Rogut wrote on Wed, 17 November 2004 01:17

Toto IV would have been Greg Ladanyi at Record One I believe (on the old yellow API with GML wire wrapped automation).

Rail


Rail,

Would you please take a deeeep breath and let go of the fucking wire-wrapped SMPTE card???  That is soooo 20 minutes ago...

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George



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Re: ToTo - The standard for Sound Engineering
« Reply #33 on: November 23, 2004, 01:55:03 AM »

Hearing David Hungate sitting in on acoustic rhythm guitar with the Time Jumpers tonight made my month!

Records are fine but they aren't the real deal. We forget that way too often!

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Re: ToTo - The standard for Sound Engineering
« Reply #34 on: November 23, 2004, 07:14:15 AM »

Eric Rudd wrote on Mon, 22 November 2004 09:37

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I have one word for you guys..... "Idris."    Very Happy
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Arrrrrrrrrrrrrgh....

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Johnny B

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Re: ToTo - The standard for Sound Engineering
« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2004, 05:14:28 PM »

Oh boy, "wire wrapped," better than blue wire soldered on the boards, aye? Just kidding,  but seriously, I wanna know why TOTO used all these no talent guys to do their records with, that is excluding GM....But seriously, what a line-up? Looks like they only worked with the best in the buz, nice luxury, I wonder who was making those decisions? Label? Mgr? The talent themselves?

And how about the budgets on those records, wonder how much they were?

From what I know of Toto's work, it sounds large, lots of cool verb, totally polished with no mistakes, that almost "too perfect" sound of the eighties...Some of the eighties "big hair" bands had that "perfect vocal" thing happening too when they were not yelling, screaming, and making those "imitation devil" screeches which I've come to loathe.

Regardless of how you now feel about their songs, good or bad, you have to give Toto an A+ for the people like GM they chose to work with... that's for sure.

Now does Bob K. have a Toto or two, on his list of reference CDs?  I wonder. I wonder about everything since I lack any real talent and because I'm always in a state of confusion and uncertainty.

However there's no doubt about it, Toto made certain they worked with the best.  
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Re: ToTo - The standard for Sound Engineering
« Reply #36 on: January 24, 2005, 08:20:37 PM »

George, Luke told me they are gonna start working on their new TOTO album soon. This time they are thinking about producing it by themselves. Is there a chance that YOU are ever gonna work with them again?

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Re: ToTo - The standard for Sound Engineering
« Reply #37 on: January 24, 2005, 09:07:41 PM »

Can anyone tell me the chain for backing vocals on "Rosanna"   gotta love that song still.... beside some great harmony..... what outboard choices where made for that sound? Mic type?
thx in advance
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Re: ToTo - The standard for Sound Engineering
« Reply #38 on: January 25, 2005, 07:26:09 AM »

The last TOTO cd is not the standard for sound engineering!
It's their worse album.

Sometimes i think that behind those claims there is a Digidesign marketer.

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Re: ToTo - The standard for Sound Engineering
« Reply #39 on: January 28, 2005, 03:21:33 PM »

Toto iv was remastered By Mark Wilder at Sony, N.Y. using the original master tape.
His playback chain is a Cello Palette, tube amps built by Doug Sax's brother, and large Dunlaveys. I think the converters were Mytek.
I also remember some Millenia gear, perhaps an NSEQ.
Mark Sat me at his mix position, and played Africa. I was and still am totally destroyed.
Yes, I think the cd is not as good as viynl, but on my system- Dcs transport feedind dsd via firewire to dcs converter, Bryston 3B st and Quad ESL 63's or Genelec 8040's with 7060 sub, the SACD is astounding.

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Re: ToTo - The standard for Sound Engineering
« Reply #40 on: January 30, 2005, 05:39:37 PM »

I've read posts by Level before regarding disapointing SACD remastering.

When doing informal DSD converter comparisons I've found there to be a massive difference between a high-end Philips player with digital out and Emm-labs, particularly in the 3-4 kHz region that Level has complained about in the past.  The Philips seemed too bright.

Perhaps the problem with DSD mastering is that the consumer converters sound much different than the pro ones.  Biggest problem: NO ability to make a reference disk to check on consumer systems.

Whatcha think BOB?

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Re: ToTo - The standard for Sound Engineering
« Reply #41 on: January 30, 2005, 08:42:01 PM »

Which SACD player has a digital out for the DSD bitstream? Even my Flagship top of the mountain Sony is only PCM out digitally and then only the redbook layer.
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Re: ToTo - The standard for Sound Engineering
« Reply #42 on: January 30, 2005, 10:34:23 PM »

I know of two transports which output the DSD bitstream.
The dcs Verdi on 1394 to various dcs dacs, and the Meitner labs modified Phillips transport on st glass which feeds the Meitner dacs.
The problem is that thet really COST. The dcs without dsd upsampling is $11K, and their best dac, the Elgar is 15K. The Meitner is less, but still a lot.
I own the dcs gear, and my friend Peter McGrath owns the Meitner. They are stupid good(a technical term here)
Many consumer pieces actually downsample to pcm before conversion, and leave a lot to be desired.

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Re: ToTo - The standard for Sound Engineering
« Reply #43 on: January 30, 2005, 10:38:40 PM »

PS
BK will return to tearing up the boards this week. He has been putting in 16 hours a day helping his wife get her book on the history of salsa to press.

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Re: ToTo - The standard for Sound Engineering
« Reply #44 on: January 30, 2005, 10:50:30 PM »

Thanks Mike. Yep, not in the cards for me at this time. Of all of my projects period, only 4 have made it to SACD and really, I am going to sit on the fence. SACD 1.3 is where we are now. SACD 2.0 is coming. I am going to wait.
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