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Offline dave-G

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Re: Virtalähde Mastering, Finland - the build thread
« Reply #120 on: January 21, 2011, 12:51:47 pm »
SafeandSound wrote on Fri, 21 January 2011 12:25

Lol,you are right Brad my studio is a decent size for the job at hand, though I would not call it palacial, it's optimal.

I am just suggesting that I am glad my speakers not cramped in which in the photo it does indeed look to be as anyone can see for their very own eyes. Amazing how a space turns into a small box when the treatment has been installed. (been there before)

People should not expect graces (lets call them jokes) that are not spared for me is what I am saying. I don't forget things when people have taken the p*ss so when the time is right I return the complement in full.

Somehow, that concept of "p*ss" reciprocity, in this thread, on this forum ... well, it seems a bit short on that feeling of "here's a guy who'll be posting here for a long time".

Just sayin'.
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Offline Viitalahde

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Re: Virtalähde Mastering, Finland - the build thread
« Reply #121 on: January 21, 2011, 01:42:04 pm »
SafeandSound wrote on Fri, 21 January 2011 16:28

The space does look very "tight", have you got enough distance from the monitors for the drivers to integrate at monitoring position? Very big speakers for a very small space.


The speakers are a little over two metres apart, could be 2,3m. Don't remember the last distance I went for, and I'll still probably be nudging them for the better when I get my Sound Anchors stands here. That might take 3-5 weeks, unfortunately.

The drivers integrate perfectly, and I could actually be a little closer. However, the room feels and measures the best from the current position I'm at.

I'm pleased how the designer understood that I want a slightly livelier room and I'm going to use speakers that have a very wide dispersion and a good polar response. The sweet spot is huge.

SafeandSound wrote on Fri, 21 January 2011 19:25

Amazing how a space turns into a small box when the treatment has been installed. (been there before)


Funnily enough, that didn't happen here, altough I was expecting it to happen. I think my room is about 23 square metres, same size as my old room, but it's a lot more cubic metres and the place just *feels* big. Remember, the design also allows some bass to go through the walls.

My first room was an apartment room, damped, much like yours. Yes, it began to feel like a small box after treatment, but what can you do when it's all concerete walls and all you can do is to kill as much echo as you can.

SafeandSound wrote on Fri, 21 January 2011 19:25

People should not expect graces (lets call them jokes) that are not spared for me is what I am saying. I don't forget things when people have taken the p*ss so when the time is right I return the complement in full.


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Re: Virtalähde Mastering, Finland - the build thread
« Reply #122 on: January 21, 2011, 01:50:53 pm »
 
Quote:

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Hahaha funny stuff, so much posturing on the net.

Your room is looking great Jaakko, congrats!

Gee I like the red wallpaper and all the natural wood.

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Re: Virtalähde Mastering, Finland - the build thread
« Reply #123 on: January 21, 2011, 01:56:51 pm »
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Re: Virtalähde Mastering, Finland - the build thread
« Reply #124 on: January 21, 2011, 05:00:47 pm »
Looks great Jaakko! It must feel nice to get the exact speakers you want. I know you have been working on them a long time.
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Re: Virtalähde Mastering, Finland - the build thread
« Reply #125 on: January 21, 2011, 11:29:29 pm »
I'm loving the look of the new room! It's really coming along nicely.

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Re: Virtalähde Mastering, Finland - the build thread
« Reply #126 on: February 03, 2011, 03:53:31 pm »
It's time for another update!

I've been working in the new room for two weeks now, and while there's still a lot of cosmetic work to do (including painting), and the cabling is not a 100% done yet, things are beginning to look quite good and I'm able to work.

The first attended session in this room was today, and it's always great to meet new people. The next attended ones are on Saturday and Tuesday, so I'm not even near going crazy from being alone in the room all day.

Aside from the cosmetic work, I'm really going to need to figure out the lights, as I'm not at all happy with them. I have a lot of nice things planned - small spots behind the speakers, pointing upwards, separate, hidden lights for the shelves on the back..

I've really just been sitting down in the room and getting a good feel of what I really want. The same thing with cosmetic stuff, really.

Sorry for the blurry pictures! I ain't much of a photographer, and now that the bright construction lights are gone, the shutter times went over the roof and my poor hand just can't keep it steady.

I'm getting a professional photographer here, and also having a new website made. Probably in March or so.

http://www.virtalahde.com/0302_etukuva_vaaka.jpg

So, the 32" LCD screen is there, I love it. Much better than having a smaller monitor closer to you. On the right you can see my old DAW - I keep it there because I have a couple of projects I'm revisiting soon, and it's just much easier to run them from the old DAW. The machine room needs a shelving system, right now all I have there is my new DAW and an UPS on top of it.

http://www.virtalahde.com/0302_etuoik_vaaka.jpg

How do you like my new desk? I think it's gorgeous, the guy who did it did a really good job. I didn't go for a Sterling Modular Plan A, because the stock models are just too damned chunky for me. I want space for my feet under the desk, and I love some rounder shapes, too.

I could have ordered a custom desk (like Darius did), but since this desk costed about the same as the stock Plan A would have, I saw no reason in that.

http://www.virtalahde.com/0302_etuoik_pysty.jpg

Yep, the front end feels really spacey, even if the angled ceiling is pretty low at the very front of the room.

http://www.virtalahde.com/0302_poyta_takavas1.jpg

http://www.virtalahde.com/0302_poyta_takaa1.jpg

I have some rack space in the back, mostly for PSU's. The only thing there is my 4-channel Jung regulator PSU. Two channels for the Barry Porter EQ and one for the Foote Control Systems P3SL.

The power cable mess is very much temporary. My Furman P-1400 AR-E isn't installed yet. There's also going to be an outlet on the floor for the desk.

http://www.virtalahde.com/0302_kaiutin1.jpg

The right speaker and the studio mascot.. I really wish to have my Sound Anchors here soon.

I really, really love how the whole system works, the room and the speakers. They tell me exactly what I want, and the jobs I've done in the new room have went really well. They're also fun to listen to - and now a bright sounding record or a midrange poke doesn't piss me off (like it did in the old place), now I just hear what it sounds like.

The speakers are very dynamic and reveal compression and sibilance problems well. I'm really picky with compression and need to hear everything. EQ adjustments feel easy, too.

http://www.virtalahde.com/0302_vehkeet.jpg

Blurry photo of what I have in there right now.

Left, from bottom to top: Barry Porter EQ - Knif Audio Pure Mu compessor - FCS P3SL compressor (prototype) - Gyraf Audio G10 compressor (very early prototype I put together in 2003 or so).

Right, from bottom to top: Passive transfer console - LCEQ, a passive EQ with tube gain make-up - Crane Song HEDD192 - Weiss DAC2.

There's going to be a few changes:

The passive console is going to be replaced really soon. I have all the parts, just need to design the front panels and order. It's going to be a little simpler - a 2k5 bridged-T Shallco/Marchand attenuator for monitor volume, monitor/process source selectors, dim/mute/mono -switch, three inserts (the current one has 6). 4HE, and as you can see, the space is already reserved.

There are going to be two Weston model 862 VU meters, right now I'm thinking of putting them next to the Weiss DAC2 and angle them properly for a good vision. They fit that space well, tried & tested.

A 2HE tranny box.. Got all the parts already.

The LCEQ will get an external power supply. The mains transformer has developed a slight mechanical hum, and tightening the lams didn't work. This will also move the power switch to an easier location.

I really need a 3rd EQ, a simple one. The BAX EQ is cool, but I can't resist designing an EQ of my own. It might be all passive, not sure yet.

As you can see, it's a simple set-up, and I have no plans to collect too many more compressors & EQ's. I like simplicity.

http://www.virtalahde.com/0302_takaa1.jpg

The back side.. I'm still negotiating with my wife about that trunk, which belonged to her great grandmother. I believe that's about the right location for it, but she begs to differ.

http://www.virtalahde.com/0302_takavas1.jpg

There's a Studer B67 MKII. Don't use it much to tell you the truth. The ugly frame was custom made for the Finnish National Radio (YLE). I need to do something about it, because it rings like a bell sometimes.

http://www.virtalahde.com/0302_kattoelem1.jpg

I got the ceiling things finished.
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Re: Virtalähde Mastering, Finland - the build thread
« Reply #127 on: February 03, 2011, 03:54:49 pm »
When we started, it was still early autumn and things were pretty green.

http://www.virtalahde.com/0302_talvi1.jpg

http://www.virtalahde.com/0302_talvi2.jpg

Now it's winter.
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Re: Virtalähde Mastering, Finland - the build thread
« Reply #128 on: February 03, 2011, 03:59:35 pm »
Gold wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 00:00

Looks great Jaakko! It must feel nice to get the exact speakers you want. I know you have been working on them a long time.


Thanks! Indeed I have worked for a long time on them.. Feels good to be rewarded. I'm sure I won't stop with crossover development, but once I've serviced and cleaned up the old ATC crossover, it's gonna serve as the standard I'm trying to beat.

mcsnare wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 06:29

I'm loving the look of the new room! It's really coming along nicely.


Thanks, Dave. Two completely different world we have here!
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Re: Virtalähde Mastering, Finland - the build thread
« Reply #129 on: February 03, 2011, 04:02:31 pm »
Awesome update, looks amazing. Love how personal it is.
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Re: Virtalähde Mastering, Finland - the build thread
« Reply #130 on: February 03, 2011, 04:36:37 pm »
You might be able to dampen the Studer to prevent it from ringing.  That would allow you to keep her and not have the ringing be a distraction.

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Re: Virtalähde Mastering, Finland - the build thread
« Reply #131 on: February 03, 2011, 05:31:26 pm »
Looking great Jaakko

Some thin sorbothane glued to the Studer's panels on the inside should damp it down. I had a rack shelf that used to ring and that's how I stopped that.

Amazing to look back at the first pictures you posted and see how far you've come.


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Re: Virtalähde Mastering, Finland - the build thread
« Reply #132 on: February 03, 2011, 05:51:47 pm »
Man, you guys get a lot of snow!

It's great to see everything coming together. I love to see threads like this. It gives me ideas.

Did you need to do something to drive the video display from a longer distance?

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Re: Virtalähde Mastering, Finland - the build thread
« Reply #133 on: February 03, 2011, 06:22:26 pm »
bblackwood wrote on Thu, 03 February 2011 16:02

Awesome update, looks amazing. Love how personal it is.


A very big plus one on all of the above!!

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Re: Virtalähde Mastering, Finland - the build thread
« Reply #134 on: February 04, 2011, 01:59:57 am »
TotalSonic wrote on Fri, 04 February 2011 01:22

bblackwood wrote on Thu, 03 February 2011 16:02

Awesome update, looks amazing. Love how personal it is.


A very big plus one on all of the above!!


It's nice to hear you're seeing it looking peronal, because that's what I want it to look like. Cool.

Garrett H wrote on Thu, 03 February 2011 23:36

You might be able to dampen the Studer to prevent it from ringing.


Peter Beckmann wrote on Fri, 04 February 2011 00:31

Some thin sorbothane glued to the Studer's panels on the inside should damp it down. I had a rack shelf that used to ring and that's how I stopped that.


Yeah, that's what I need to do. Thin sheets of bitumen are also great for this, appliable with a heat gun. The inner walls of the speakers a treated like this. It was fun to compare the un-treated, but well braced cabinet to the damped one. Now all I get is a stone-like "thuck" as I knock in the cabinets.

Peter Beckmann wrote on Fri, 04 February 2011 00:31

Amazing to look back at the first pictures you posted and see how far you've come.


Indeed! I also like to look at the first pictures and try to remember there's a yard somewhere.

ggidluck wrote on Fri, 04 February 2011 00:51

Did you need to do something to drive the video display from a longer distance?


It's a HDMI connector I used, all digital and coming straight out of the DAW. My older DAW doesn't have a HDMI output, and when I use a 5 metre VGA cable for that, you can clearly see shadows on the picture.

I'm a little dumb with TV's. This is my first flat TV, haven't bought one earlier because my TV waqtching is down to zero, pretty much. But, is the HDMI standard a little slow? The frame rate isn't too good when I scroll through the timeline, and I think it was much better when connected with VGA.

Not that it bothers me, I actually shut down the TV for most of the time, but I'm just curious.

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