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Offline bblackwood

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Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« on: July 26, 2004, 12:31:05 pm »
A bargain at only $800...

http://www.euphonicmasters.com/misc/Transparent_1.jpg

http://www.euphonicmasters.com/misc/Transparent_2.jpg

http://www.euphonicmasters.com/misc/Transparent_3.jpg

http://www.euphonicmasters.com/misc/Transparent_4.jpg
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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2004, 01:08:53 pm »
and the point is what?  that the price is too high?

i'd agree to that


Yet Transparent's little trick on this one cable does not defeat the lifetime of work by manufacturers like Robert Lee at Acoustic Zen

nor does it say anything about the tone of even this one cable ...
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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2004, 01:45:20 pm »
That a riot!  You'd think that for that kind of cash they could atleast use some high quality epoxy that's not so easily removed.  Too funny.
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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2004, 03:35:02 pm »
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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2004, 03:53:47 pm »
LOL Brad!!!



What is so bad about all of this...it is fraud. PT Barnum style.


Notice, the wire is >>directional>> LOL

Look up Bybee quantium purifyier. Expensive and certain audiophiles swear by this 1 dollar resistor, thing,...or whatever it is. Some of them are upper echelon in the 'credibility' department (rolls eyes)

Quantium physics? Not hardly.


I remember a blind folded test which incorporated the cheapo red and white plastic RCA interconnections, some monsters and some that were 5000.00 USD per meter (no shit).

The plastic freebees won out.
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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2004, 04:57:04 pm »
Level wrote on Mon, 26 July 2004 14:53

LOL Brad!!!
What is so bad about all of this...it is fraud. PT Barnum style.



Fraud?  Hardly ... just an overpriced cable.  Yet overpriced merchandise is the American Way last I knew ... the more it costs the better it must be!





There is still nothing in this example that explains why Canare Star Quad and Mogami, two common +4 cables, sound different.
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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2004, 05:23:58 pm »
lucey wrote on Mon, 26 July 2004 15:57


There is still nothing in this example that explains why Canare Star Quad and Mogami, two common +4 cables, sound different.




how many times do we have to do this

where did anyone say it sounded different than another cable? why is this cable thing always about your agenda?

B-rad was simply going for a little comedy....and here we are at the beginning of the THIRD cable debate i've seen on B-rad's forum that has started with you.

i'm not trying to fire you up.....i'm just pointing out hard facts


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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2004, 05:32:42 pm »
Right on j.hall. You worded that perfectly. Bravo.
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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2004, 08:49:53 pm »
Just seems like a humorous example audiophoolery to me...
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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2004, 08:51:41 pm »
Brad, those were across the positive and negative like a loudspeaker zobel or where they simply in series with one conductor?

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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2004, 09:43:43 pm »
Across both leads (Zobel)...
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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2004, 09:48:08 pm »
(Shakes head..)

Before the crossover, that could do some ugly things.....
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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2004, 10:12:35 pm »
lucey wrote on Mon, 26 July 2004 10:08

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Yet Transparent's little trick on this one cable does not defeat the lifetime of work by manufacturers like Robert Lee at Acoustic Zen



Yeah, we looked at this before.  The guy is completely full of it!

Wasn't he the fellow where all his college chums went on to be big-deal scientists and he's stuck being a "cable designer?"

Ask him how a crystal in the cable contributes to "smooth sound?"

If you could die from a bad cable, the FDA would shut these guys down in a minute, but there is no law about wasting your time and money...

Now, the Zobel (Also called Boucherot (sp?)) actually does something, by presenting a more resistive load to the amp.  No magick, actual Science.  No real effect on system damping, but I do see that claim sometimes.

Leach, as always, has a good paper on it:

 http://users.ece.gatech.edu/~mleach/ece4445/downloads/zobel. pdf

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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2004, 01:47:57 pm »
dcollins wrote on Mon, 26 July 2004 21:12

lucey wrote on Mon, 26 July 2004 10:08

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Yet Transparent's little trick on this one cable does not defeat the lifetime of work by manufacturers like Robert Lee at Acoustic Zen



Yeah, we looked at this before.  The guy is completely full of it!

Wasn't he the fellow where all his college chums went on to be big-deal scientists and he's stuck being a "cable designer?"

Ask him how a crystal in the cable contributes to "smooth sound?"
DC



Who 'looked into it'?  And how exactly did you do that?

Lee is a cellist for your smart ass information, and he chose his profession, and enjoys it.  Get your facts straight, Mr. Facts and Figures.



His cables are also not that expensive.  Not at cost.


Nor are some of the cables form Cardas.




And still ... in spite of your attitude ... even Star Quad and Mogami ez-id sound different to casual observers.





j.hall wrote on Mon, 26 July 2004 16:23


i'm not trying to fire you up.....i'm just pointing out hard facts



Fact is that cynical humor is not that funny to me.

This example by Brad was another attempt to win the debate that can't be won or lost.  On some level, it makes his point.  So your "facts" are wrong .. I did not "start" anything.


Humor is a good way to make a point ... reminds me of Fletcher a bit.

I just wish it was clean humor ...

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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2004, 01:50:29 pm »




oh sorry ....



HAHAHA!  What a bunch of losers those cables guys are!

what a fraud, whata sham



oh how superior am I!


HAHAAHAAHHA!
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