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Offline TotalSonic

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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2004, 08:38:34 am »
The reason you guys can't hear why the Transparent Audio cable is worth every penny of $800 for it's fairy dust sprinkled epoxy is because you haven't spent $150 for this 4.5' plastic baggie covered throw-the-fire-code-out-the-window power cable to run your amp with:

http://www.mapleshaderecords.com/tweaks/images/powercord_new.jpg

http://www.mapleshaderecords.com/tweaks/powercord.php

Ya know - I really respect Pierre Sprey's eccentric ideas for the most part - but he's really lost me on this one!  At least he offers money back guarantees!

Best regards,
Steve Berson

Offline bblackwood

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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #31 on: July 28, 2004, 10:29:05 am »
Well, if we're going to go there...

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Triad cable lifts:

http://www.mapleshaderecords.com/tweaks/images/cable_lift.jpg

"Odd as it may seem, laying audio cables on an artificial fiber carpet will immediately dull the sound of your stereo. And that’s true for all cables, not just our Clearview wires. Unfortunately, the carpet is a huge mass of low quality insulation (dielectric). It absorbs and smears energy from the field around the wire. The effect is pretty grim, making music sound both dulled and harsh. A simple ear-tested solution is to raise the cables off the carpet by at least 8 inches."
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Offline Gold

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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #32 on: July 28, 2004, 11:21:29 am »
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"RN60D 26R7F", for those that are curious


That's a Dale/Vishay resistor. For $800 he could at least use a Holco or Caddock.
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Offline lucey

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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #33 on: July 28, 2004, 11:39:07 am »
dcollins wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 19:20



And that's Mr. Listens Critically for a Living, to you.


You are SO Superior!  Let me count the ways .... um ... one?

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His cables are also not that expensive.  Not at cost.



Yes, I'm sure his cost is like a buck per foot.

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Nor are some of the cables form Cardas.



Cardas has a patent, you know.



A Patent means that the idea was unique, not the results - not necessarily.

A buck a foot is for Belden, as you know.   Cardas 'blue' mic cables are just 15% more than Mogami ... Acoustic Zen analog cables are a bit more, but only worth it from the console to the monitors.

Silver sounds different that Copper, can we agree to this much?

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Offline Bob Olhsson

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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #34 on: July 28, 2004, 06:23:12 pm »
Gold wrote on Wed, 28 July 2004 10:21

 
For $800 he could at least use a Holco or Caddock.


But then what would he use in the $1200 version?

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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #35 on: July 28, 2004, 08:28:35 pm »
Bob Olhsson wrote on Wed, 28 July 2004 15:23

Gold wrote on Wed, 28 July 2004 10:21

 
For $800 he could at least use a Holco or Caddock.


But then what would he use in the $1200 version?


A vintage Allen-Bradley carbon comp!

DC

Offline grock5

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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #36 on: July 29, 2004, 02:11:16 am »
bblackwood wrote on Wed, 28 July 2004 10:29

Well, if we're going to go there...

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Triad cable lifts:

http://www.mapleshaderecords.com/tweaks/images/cable_lift.jpg





Great for keeping enemy forces from landing on your beaches!

Offline davidc

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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #37 on: July 29, 2004, 05:11:10 am »
lucey wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 18:47



This example by Brad was another attempt to win the debate that can't be won or lost.  On some level, it makes his point.  So your "facts" are wrong .. I did not "start" anything.


Humor is a good way to make a point ... reminds me of Fletcher a bit.

I just wish it was clean humor ...



Lucey,

You are taking this way TOO Serious. This is just cable, it is not life and death. As you said it is an argument that cannot be won or lost, so why are you arguing. Can't you let people have their fun.

I missed this thread, but reading it now has given me a big chuckle. At least you can't argue with their branding - "Transparent". You open the box and there it's transparent all right Laughing .

I for one happen to be a user and abuser of audiophile cable in my studio. I hear it, others don't - so what. OK there are some like Brad who have a bit of an anti-religous fervor, but they aren't going to be able to change the fact that cables do make a difference for me.

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David C


Offline Bob Olhsson

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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #38 on: August 01, 2004, 02:11:00 am »
dcollins wrote on Wed, 28 July 2004 19:28

 A vintage Allen-Bradley carbon comp!



NOS, of course!

Did I ever tell you about grinding the vintage Allen-Bradley carbon comp resistors up to spec for our first batch of 8 Motown equalizers? For that matter did I ever tell you about our shop's ultimate dual-motor slotcar?

Offline dcollins

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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #39 on: August 01, 2004, 03:59:48 am »
Bob Olhsson wrote on Sat, 31 July 2004 23:11

dcollins wrote on Wed, 28 July 2004 19:28

 A vintage Allen-Bradley carbon comp!



NOS, of course!

Did I ever tell you about grinding the vintage Allen-Bradley carbon comp resistors up to spec for our first batch of 8 Motown equalizers? For that matter did I ever tell you about our shop's ultimate dual-motor slotcar?


No, but I hope you will tell us!  As a yoof, I had a radio control car with a yaw-rate gyro, you could run full throttle all the time...or at least until the other racers run you out of town.

DC

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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #40 on: August 03, 2004, 09:57:27 pm »
I am sorry to rehash on this..but in the context of this post..I did come across this very intersting article.

I hope this sheds some light...as it is an earnest attempt to explain loudspeaker cable and testing thereof.

Cheers and enjoy.

http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/audioprinciples/intercon nects/speakercable2p2.php
http://balancedmastering.com

"Listen and Learn"
---Since 1975---

Offline dcollins

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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #41 on: August 04, 2004, 02:10:39 am »
Level wrote on Tue, 03 August 2004 18:57



 http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/audioprinciples/intercon nects/speakercable2p2.php


Proving at the same time that J.C Maxwell was right, and the implementation in the Transparent cable could have been better!  Gotta love that....


DC

Offline David Glasser

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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #42 on: August 04, 2004, 10:22:18 am »
A mildly related question:

Could someone explain the rationalle behind bi-wiring? I just replaced my speaker cables (to make the installation neater, not to tweak anything). Decided to bi-wire, and I'll be damned  - it sounds better; tighter more defined low end. We're not talking audiofool cables - just Canare 4S11 which replaced some mid-line Cardas. What's going on here?
David Glasser
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Offline bblackwood

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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #43 on: August 04, 2004, 11:06:10 am »
I've tried it in the past and heard no diff, but who knows. In theory, it should be no different...

Any chance that the diff was simply a better, less-oxidized connection?
Brad Blackwood
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Offline David Glasser

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Re: Transparent Audio, meet Dr. Zobel of Bell Labs...
« Reply #44 on: August 04, 2004, 11:44:28 am »
bblackwood wrote on Wed, 04 August 2004 09:06

I've tried it in the past and heard no diff, but who knows. In theory, it should be no different...


That's What I alsways thought too...

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Any chance that the diff was simply a better, less-oxidized connection?


Could be. Anything's possible I suppose.
David Glasser
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