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I found these online today:  http://www.mixosaurus.com

From their website:

Our claim is to give you an authentic rendition of a multitracked drumset in your DAW environment. Authentic to drummers, authentic to mix engineers, authentic to experienced producers - and listeners. Where other drum instruments or libraries combine a multitude of separately sampled drums and cymbals to non-authentic sounding sets, MIXOSAURUS consists of   ONE DRUMKIT   that was set up all together and sampled with authentic ringing, sympathetic vibrations and uncompromising detail to form a giant 122 GB library.

Their clips are the most realistic I've heard, and the only ones that could make me forget I'm listening to a machine.  I like the hi-hats in particular, and that's a first.  Sound On Sound referred to Mixosaurus as the Holy Grail, for what that's worth.  

What concerns me a little is something brought up in another forum, which is that the samples are pre-processed with compression and EQ.  The developer describes this as "basic" as opposed to "heavy" processing, and suggests they are still "very versatile and as tweakable as raw mic signals would be." He also suggests that people download the multichannel audio mixes from their website and play with them.  

I like these drums but I want to hear from more experienced people because ultimately I want to hire a mix engineer, and give that engineer the best tracks I can.  I assumed that would be raw drum sounds, but whatever works is fine with me.

Regarding other libraries, I like the concept of Ocean Way but the cymbals and hats don't do it for me (and God they are bright!).  BFD2 clips don't impress me either.  I do like Addictive Drums.  I already have Larry Seyer and it's OK but I hate the cymbals.

I'm also interested in what others are using.  I don't like to rely on clips but that's mostly what I have to go on.


Thanks for any input.

[Rail Jon Rogut]

You may want to listen to our demos done in BFD:

https://www.platinumsamples.com/JoeBarresi.html

The Mixosaurus approach is similar to ours and ToonTrack's Superior 2.. where there is tracking EQ/Compression applied...  not final mix processing.  Our samples have "authentic ringing, sympathetic vibrations and uncompromising detail" too  

Rail

[Jim Frazier]

I own MIXOSARUS drums... I also own BFD1, which of course isn't BFD 2, but...

Mixosarus are by far the most realistic samples I have used, and heard, especially the cymbals, and most especially, the hi-hats. And it's not just the samples, but the way the controller info is programmed to make use of these samples.

Your hats can actually groove, because the ability to program performances that mimic a real players stick movements are now finally achievable. Personally, this was never something that was easily accomplished before.

And imo, it's the cymbals, especially the hats, that are the "soul" or the human factor our ears recognize as "real" or "samples".

You can even do totally realistic crescendo cymbal rolls using the cymbal samples themselves, NOT a cymbal roll sample... that's a big deal when you think about it.

Perhaps the only "negative" is the fact that it is ONE drum kit. But the 3 sets of room mics allow such a huge range of perception, it's hard to complain. A few more snares would have been nice though...

And the compression used to record is not "obvious" compression. The drums sound unprocessed to me.

[patrick_wilson]

Fwiw, I've had great success using BFD2 with Joe Barresi's pack on a MacBook Pro and an E-Sata drive.

[JDNelson]

patrick_wilson wrote on Fri, 15 August 2008 10:37

Fwiw, I've had great success using BFD2 with Joe Barresi's pack on a MacBook Pro and an E-Sata drive.

How do you rate the hi hat control with your rig, and what e-drum set up are you using?

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Rail Jon Rogut wrote on Fri, 15 August 2008 02:26

You may want to listen to our demos done in BFD: https://www.platinumsamples.com/JoeBarresi.html The Mixosaurus approach is similar to ours and ToonTrack's Superior 2.. where there is tracking EQ/Compression applied...  not final mix processing.  Our samples have "authentic ringing, sympathetic vibrations and uncompromising detail" too   Rail

Thanks for that link, Rail.  I can't play 24 bit waves on my laptop but I'll transfer the files to my other computer when I get a chance and give them a serious listen.  Good to know about the processing, too, so I'm probably making too much of it.  

There's some definite marketing lingo in that paragraph I cited, but what strikes me as different about Mixosaurus is that they took ONE drumset and sampled the hell out of it, rather than including several kits with fewer samples.  I can see a case for either method, but variety isn't my first priority and fortunately I do like the kit they're using.  Another difference is that they appear to achieve much of their sound via MIDI programming, which seems not as good, but I guess it's just a matter of using MIDI to switch between samples so maybe it's not as "artificial" as it would appear.  


I'll also point out that despite the little marketing blurbs on their site (which I guess comes with the territory), they seem like an honest group, have great customer service, and they conduct themselves appropriately on forums, which is obviously also true of Rail.  I get put off by some developers, who put down other companies or spam every forum on the internet.

Jim Frazier wrote on Fri, 15 August 2008 04:00

I own MIXOSARUS drums... I also own BFD1, which of course isn't BFD 2, but... Mixosarus are by far the most realistic samples I have used, and heard, especially the cymbals, and most especially, the hi-hats. ...  And imo, it's the cymbals, especially the hats, that are the "soul" or the human factor our ears recognize as "real" or "samples".

I completely agree about the hats and cymbals, which is what appeals to me about the Mixosaurus clips and I'm happy to hear that you're finding this in practice.  What sold me on Larry Seyer was the hats, and they ARE pretty good (if awkward to use) but the cymbals are the reason I'm looking for something else.

[,]

patrick_wilson wrote on Fri, 15 August 2008 10:37

Fwiw, I've had great success using BFD2 with Joe Barresi's pack on a MacBook Pro and an E-Sata drive.

Good to know, and I'm looking forward to hearing their samples.  So you're happy with the realism of the hats and cymbals on the Platinum Samples?  Just wondering, what is your application for these?  Were they used on the Weezer record or is this just for live use?

[MIXOSAURUS]

Hello everybody,

thanks for discussing this. Just wanted you to know that I'm here and reading - if you have any questions I'll be happy to answer.

best,
Uwe

CEO - MIXOSAURUS DAW Drums

[patrick_wilson]

JDNelson wrote on Fri, 15 August 2008 11:21

patrick_wilson wrote on Fri, 15 August 2008 10:37 Fwiw, I've had great success using BFD2 with Joe Barresi's pack on a MacBook Pro and an E-Sata drive. How do you rate the hi hat control with your rig, and what e-drum set up are you using?

I'm using the newest Roland TD-20 and the factory map works fine for the hats.  The big thing was getting away from firewire or usb drives for the samples.  E-sata works great at 128 buffers and even 64 but Logic starts getting weird that low.

Robert, I'm happy with the realism of the hats and cymbals but I'm not asking it to behave 100% like a real hi-hat although if you spend the time you can get very convincing depending on your technique and hardware.  Rail knows everything there is to know about this stuff.

[,]

Thanks for that, Patrick.


Uwe, thanks for joining us.  And I do have a question for you -- is there any chance you can post a 24-bit version of your "One for All" demo for download, so I can compare it directly with the Platinum Samples clips provided by Rail?

[Eik]

Why not buy both Platinum and Mixosaurus, and to be really generous, buy Ocean Way drums, too.
That should cover a bit.
Mixosaurus sounds unbeatable on the hats and cymbals, it's worth the price only for that reason.
The limitation is the selection of drums. Platinum and Ocean Way will cover that.
The tricky part will be to arrange it in a performance set up.

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Enth wrote on Fri, 15 August 2008 17:01

Why not buy both Platinum and Mixosaurus, and to be really generous, buy Ocean Way drums, too.

What a great idea!  Just PM me your credit card info, OK?



Uwe, I downloaded your samples online so please ignore the above request.  I guess those clips were only 16 bit but it was enough to get the idea.  Rail, your clips were great but again it comes down to the hats and cymbals for me, and that's where Mixosaurus really shines.

Those Mixosaurus clips were deafening compared to the BFD clips.  I assume that's just how they were mixed?  (Around here we're admonished to keep recording levels low.)  

[MIXOSAURUS]

Yes, that's the mix - it has compression/limiting on the master channel.

You can check out the raw sounds on the Hard Rock, Shuffle and Jazzy demos which offer to listen to/download all the individual tracks uneffected.

regards,
Uwe

 

[Eik]

Robert Shelton wrote on Sat, 16 August 2008 01:36

Enth wrote on Fri, 15 August 2008 17:01 Why not buy both Platinum and Mixosaurus, and to be really generous, buy Ocean Way drums, too. What a great idea!  Just PM me your credit card info, OK?

No problem, here it is:
67984215698456782 - 792

And don't be modest!
It's enough for everyone.

[,]

Well after a couple of days' deliberation, I went with Mixosaurus.  It sounds best to me, and their email support is as good as it gets.  Thanks all.

[Eik]

Congratulation, a good choice!

Amazing hats and cymbs.

Since Mixosaurus are reading this forum.
Why don't you add a few set more of drums, and raise the price.
I'm sure people are willing to pay extra to get more options of drums.

When you work on a wide range of productions, it's difficult to stick
with only one choice of drums set.

[mr jason]

Pat, weren't you the drummer hitting the drums on the Jo Barresi BFD thing? Or you played some grooves templates for it or something?
I should really research before posting, but I'm sure I read that somewhere..

[danickstr]

What shells do these kits run in?  I have a few sampler shells, but no info was available as to which ones are pre set for these sample packs.

Or do I actually, ulp, have to build kits myself???

Edit: I see that mix runs on Kontakt 2, does it run on Kontakt 3?  Sounds like an obvious answer, but many issues arise in the process.

[patrick_wilson]

I played some midi grooves for Evil Drums.  It's my favorite drum sample set.  

[MIXOSAURUS]

Hi Enth,

Enth wrote on Sun, 17 August 2008 03:34

Why don't you add a few set more of drums, and raise the price.

not sure about the second part of your suggestion, but the first sounds good .

Serious - we've started working on KIT B, however it'll take months to complete. We would've loved to create several kits from the start, but we'd probably still be editing (quite a task to process the 350GB of recorded audio for one MIXOSAURUS drumkit) so we decided to do one at a time.

I'll keep you updated. Thanks for sharing your ideas (feel free to keep them coming)!

regards,
Uwe

[Rail Jon Rogut]

mr jason wrote on Sun, 17 August 2008 12:51

Pat, weren't you the drummer hitting the drums on the Jo Barresi BFD thing?

Bobby Jarzombek hit the drums on our Barresi pack.

http://www.bobbyjarzombek.com/

Rail

[Eik]

MIXOSAURUS wrote on Sun, 17 August 2008 18:16

Serious - we've started working on KIT B, however it'll take months to complete. regards, Uwe

Sounds really promising!!


Thanks!
a.e.e

[,]

danickstr wrote on Sun, 17 August 2008 13:00

What shells do these kits run in?  I have a few sampler shells, but no info was available as to which ones are pre set for these sample packs. Or do I actually, ulp, have to build kits myself??? Edit: I see that mix runs on Kontakt 2, does it run on Kontakt 3?  Sounds like an obvious answer, but many issues arise in the process.

This is from the Mixosaurus forum:


Yes, they can be loaded into the full versions of both Kontakt 2 and 3.

However, the patches do not allow to enter Kontakt's edit pages and thus you won't gain anything by using them in the full version except for the option to use MIXOSAURUS together with other Kontakt patches in one multi.

Alas, the compatibility to both versions 2 and 3 certainly is a good thing in case you ancounter a misbehaviour/bug in one of them...


I received the software yesterday and installed it this morning.  Installation was easy but it may be a while before I figure out how to get sound out of it.  (But then I've never used Kontakt before.)

[danickstr]

Thanks for finding the info, Robt.

If you are just using the Kontakt player, then there should be no authorization issues.  I guess other steps depend if you are on mac or PC. My full version  Mac install went fine, and runs fine in DP 5.13.  I think it was challenge response.  Does BFD run only on VST? I see that it runs on AU. Better deal.

[MIXOSAURUS]

Hi all,

to avoid any misunderstanding: MIXOSAURUS comes with its own "shell" -> the KontaktPlayer2 software (VST/AU/DXi/RTAS plugins + standalone version) is included. You do not need K2/K3 to use MIXOSAURUS, but you can load the patches in them.

Quote:

I received the software yesterday and installed it this morning.  Installation was easy but it may be a while before I figure out how to get sound out of it.  (But then I've never used Kontakt before.)

Hi Robert,

if you haven't ever used Kontakt before then I suggest you start off by instantiating a stereo KontaktPlayer2 plugin in your DAW, then loading the "Standard Stereo Kit" preset into it ("Multis" tab on the left -> Big Kits Stereo Outputs -> Standard Kit -> MxA_S_Big_Stndrd). This should play right away since all mic tracks are played back through the plugin's 1+2 outputs (no extra routing should be necessary to hear sound).

Thanks for choosing MIXOSAURUS -whatever question(s) you might have, don't hesitate to ask.  

cheers,
Uwe

[Eik]

Mixosaurus

I've decided to buy the Mixosaurus drums now, but I have a question related to
eSATA vs. external HD.

Is it possible to copy the archive to another HD without any restrictions?
I would like to move it to one of my eSATA discs in my computer.

Thanks!

[MIXOSAURUS]

Hi Enth,

thanks for asking. I remember I've answered this in some other thread but can't find it anymore... so this will be a good opportunity to add the information to the MIXOSAURUS Support Forum, too ... thanks for the reminder, I'll add that later.

Here's the answer: Yes, it's a standard filesystem, no tricks. You can move/copy the files to another drive (and e.g. use the MIXOSAURUS drive/enclosure for any other "drive" purpose). The files themselves aren't copy protected, but you can only USE them on a system that has been authorized by NI's Service Center. There are TWO authorizations per serial number so you can authorize two computers.

best regards,
Uwe

[Eik]

As the owner of the Mixosaurus drum kit for a while now, I can only say this:
This drumkit really works!

I was a little afraid of the limitation of only one kit in the package, but without reasons, I realize.
There are so many nuances of hits and dynamics, it's like having a real drummer out there. The mixing possibilities between the microphones, tuning and so.

And the quality of the recording, without any heavy processing, gives you the options as an engineer to shape the sound as you wish, like you do with a real kit in the studio.

I have replaced the drums on some songs I'm working on for the moment, with the Mixosaurus Kit. And that's it, exactly what I needed.
The drum sound became alive, with punch and breathing air.

I'll by happy to pay the same price again, for the next kit Mixosaurus are coming up with.

Bravo!

[MIXOSAURUS]

Hello everybody,

I'll be attending the NAMM show in January - in case any of you will be there as well I'd be delighted to meet you. We won't have a booth but you can check out MIXOSAURUS firsthand on my mobile setup... if you're many, we might even organize a group demo (anybody have or know a suitable place around Anaheim/LA?). I'll be happy to answer questions and show users a few programming tricks. Or send me a few bars of your drum-less audio now and I'll bring the drums along for you to experience the real thing in a mix situation.

And yes, our NAMM info material will include preview audio of the upcoming release, KIT B.

If you're interested - yell. I'll be in Anaheim, CA from Jan. 15th-19th.

thanks for reading!
kind regards,
Uwe

[MIXOSAURUS]

Hello all - better late than never, I'd like to wish you all a very Happy New NAMMuary and all the best for 2009! Here's the latest MIXONEWS:

HAPPY NEW NAMMUARY!

As you know, MIXOSAURUS DAW Drums will be attending the NAMM Show 2009 in Anaheim, California. What you might not know yet is that we celebrate this premiere with a 25% discount on KIT A (valid for all purchases before February). There won't be a MIXOBOOTH this year but we invite you to meet with us on the show floor or any other place in and around Anaheim. If you're interested to see/hear MIXOSAURUS in action, talk to me, listen to KIT B preview audio files or for any other reason, send me a PM to this PSW account or email namm@MIXOSAURUS.com so we can arrange a meeting.

--------------------

UPCOMING RELEASE - KIT B

Scheduled for release in later Spring 2009 is MIXOSAURUS KIT B: "B" as in Big ... Boom ... Bubinga! We've set up a fine TAMA Starclassic Bubinga kit in the big, ambient Teldex Lounge, fitted it with EVANS heads and completed the package with a set of Cymbals by various manufacturers that were all hand-selected by me. Going for a heavy, robust and guaranteed-to-cut-through sound we use larger drum and cymbal sizes this time (e.g. 19'

[MIXOSAURUS]

Quick reminder: Happy New NAMMuary - one week to go... check MIXOSAURUS.com.

All the best,
Uwe

[MIXOSAURUS]

To whom it may concern:

We currently have a KIT A group buy running (ending Sunday), and the 30% discount mark has already been reached. On to 40% - three days to go. Check the STORE pages on MIXOSAURUS.com.

[MIXOSAURUS]

Dear MIXOSAURUS users & friends,

It took a while but finally we're online with preview audio clips of the forthcoming KIT B. More than 700MB of KIT B preview WAV files can be downloaded - and that's ZIP archives already!

Read more on MIXOSAURUS.com.

All the best,
Uwe

[MIXOSAURUS]

Dear European Ladies and Gentlemen,

it's Summertime: EURO SUMMERSAURUS - 22% OFF!

From July 22 - August 2, the MIXO EU Webstore rewards those who stayed at home with a nice 22% discount on all KIT A products.
No more envying friends and colleagues on vacation... instead, save on KIT A, lean back - and send musical holiday greetings.

Kind regards,
Uwe

[MIXOSAURUS]

Hi Alf, Hi Robert,

you might want to check this out - here's what Adam Countryman, MIXOUSER from Stanwood, USA, says about the latest KONTAKT PLAYER version. We received his email today... nothing added, nothing omitted  

"Just giving you a heads up that the Kontakt Player 3 (.5) is already available to update on NI's website. I did so tonight and played with it for about 10 minutes. I used it on an 8 core Mac Pro with 8gb ram. Used inside Pro Tools 8, I was able to load over 3.5gb of samples! The new KMS is really amazing. Pro Tools only showed using about 1.25gb of ram (bare minimum) even though I was using the player as a plug in. Just thought you'd like to pass the word along. I did not use service center, only the website. Can't wait for Kit B now that I can load a full kit with 7 samples each instrument!!!!!"

best,
Uwe

[MIXOSAURUS]

Hello guys,

it might look a little silly to keep replying to my own posts but I'm a fan of keeping things tidy and organized so I won't clutter up PSW by opening additional MIXO threads

Here's the latest MIXONEWS, and it's good news for those who like to check out things first hand:

A downloadable KIT A demo was added to our website: On http://www.MIXOSAURUS.com/demo_masterpage.htm you can request a download link to the 2.6 GB zipped demo archive which contains fully usable instrument patches of KIT A's Light Ride Cymbal and the 10" Tom.
All articulations of these two instruments and all mic tracks are available in the demo, with the only limitations being that it uses only 2 alternating samples (the full product offers 7) - and that the rest of the kit isn't there .

(FYI: For hosting/licensing reasons, the archive does not contain Native Instruments' KONTAKT PLAYER software, however you'll find a link to NI's pages so you will have no trouble getting it from them directly - it's a free download)

Comments and/or suggestions all very welcome!

kindest regards,
Uwe

[MIXOSAURUS]

Dear MIXOSAURUS Friends,

there's Great News for all present and future KIT A owners: I'm happy to announce the release of the v1.2 Update!

This Update adds nothing less than the two Snare Drums of the upcoming KIT B to the current KIT A package! A full 11 GB of MIXOQUALITY Sound and Expression, it contains the mighty 14"x6.5" TAMA Starclassic Bubinga Snare Drum (muffled version, with EVANS ST Dry / Hazy300 heads) and the ultimately crack-y 14"x4" TAMA Brass Snare Drum (no muffling, with Evans G1 / Hazy300 heads). These two drums perfectly compliment the original KIT A Snare, further extending the range of sounds in both the lower and the upper spectrum! Check out the audio examples on MIXOSAURUS.com!

So - from now on, MIXOSAURUS KIT A features THREE Snare Drums of the highest quality you've ever experienced in sampling:
Electronic Musician's 'Editor's Choice' winner as best 'Sounds' product in 2009.

Existing KIT A owners (and those who buy stocked v1.1 units from a dealer now) can order their v1.2 Update on MIXOSAURUS.com - it comes as a 2-DVD Pack and is FREE (shipping exempt: 10,- EUR)
Future KIT A buyers will have v1.2 on their MIXOSAURUS harddrives from the start.

Very best regards and a Happy New NAMMuary!
Uwe

[MIXOSAURUS]

Hello everybody,

Lots of News this time:

End of Introductory Prices: The time has come - March 15th will finally mark the end of KIT A's Introductory Price Period. Until that day you can grab the World's Best Virtual Drumset for its current price and make your move to Software Drum Gratification a Steal:
Compared to the full prices that will be in effect on March 15th, the current prices mean a discount of roughly 38% - and they won't come back.
Visit MIXOSAURUS.com to read the details. If you ever wanted to bring your virtual drum tracks to life, NOW is the time to Hop On Board!


New Dealers in the Netherlands - and a LIVE Presentation! We're happy to announce that Helios and Maarten's Sound & Vision have hopped on board as MIXO Resellers. On March 5th, Helios will host a LIVE Presentation of KIT A at Bullet Sound Studios. I'll be demonstrating KIT A together with one of the Netherlands' top drummers, Ton Dijkman, who will be playing KIT A live via a Yamaha TDXtreme e-drumset. If you live in the Netherlands, be sure to attend!
(rumour alert: I've heard that there will be some kind of giveaway... yet to be confirmed though )


Facebook Fan Page: User Barry Kettery has set up a MIXO Fan Page on Facebook - your opportunity to confess!
Barry has also shot a video tutorial and will be adding more soon.


More video stuff: We've received requests to put the tutorial videos from MIXOSAURUS.com on YouTube (some people seem to have problems viewing *.mov files), so we did. Check out our videos on the MIXOCHANNEL.


Cheers,
Uwe

[MIXOSAURUS]

Just to remind those of you living in and around the Netherlands:

Join me and Ton Dijkman on the 5th of March in Hilversum's Bullet Sound Studio - we'll be demonstrating the realtime-use of KIT A with e-drums and answer all your drum programming questions. Admission is free and you can also win a "Full Box" KIT A unit! MIXOUSERS are invited to stop by as well: All owners of KIT A will receive a free MIXOSHIRT.

To register for admission (free!) and/or to join the giveaway competition (free!), go to http://www.helios.nl/company/company_mixosaurus_demodag.htm

See you next week,
Uwe

[MIXOSAURUS]

Hi PSW,

Here's a statement from someone who supposedly really knows when something works

My great pleasure and honour to introduce you to our latest MIXOFAN. Check this out: http://www.MIXOSAURUS.com

Kindest regards,
Uwe[

[danickstr]

are you still talking to yourself?


watch out for this guy:     http://recforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/t/30878/9063/