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Mike Cleaver

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Re: U87 Anniversary Edition
« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2007, 08:43:54 PM »

Possibly, Neumann should have just issued an anniversary "pop screen" in a variety of finishes.
Judging from the response here, the "Beatles" era pop screen is getting more interest than buying the full set.
Most professionals already have U87's.
I'm sure the return on product investment could have been nearly the same (percentage wise) and you'd sell a heck of a lot more pop screens than Neumann U87 sets.
Heck, I'd buy one just for the nostalgia.
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Re: U87 Anniversary Edition
« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2007, 11:19:57 PM »

Mike Cleaver wrote on Mon, 17 September 2007 20:43

Heck, I'd buy one just for the nostalgia.


Yes, I would buy it for the nostalgia, but not to use.
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Re: U87 Anniversary Edition
« Reply #32 on: September 18, 2007, 07:51:46 AM »

regarding the screen, you can see that the originals had two screens, one behind the other... on the video... seemingly..
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Re: U87 Anniversary Edition
« Reply #33 on: September 18, 2007, 08:59:47 PM »

compasspnt wrote on Mon, 17 September 2007 23:19

Mike Cleaver wrote on Mon, 17 September 2007 20:43

Heck, I'd buy one just for the nostalgia.


Yes, I would buy it for the nostalgia, but not to use.




Why?
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Re: U87 Anniversary Edition
« Reply #34 on: September 18, 2007, 09:49:26 PM »

The potential of comb filter-induced sibilance.

There have been several threads about it, but this was one:

http://recforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/mv/msg/11071/0/0/ 6490/
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Barry Hufker

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Re: U87 Anniversary Edition
« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2007, 10:40:56 PM »

Terry,

Given the comb-filtering effect, can you identify for us a vocal where we can hear this?

I know there are plenty of "P" pops on Beatles songs with John singing, so that be one hell of a plosive to get through the metal screen.

Barry
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Re: U87 Anniversary Edition
« Reply #36 on: September 18, 2007, 11:14:22 PM »

compasspnt wrote on Tue, 18 September 2007 21:49

The potential of comb filter-induced sibilance.

There have been several threads about it, but this was one:

 http://recforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/mv/msg/11071/0/0/ 6490/




Thank You!
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Re: U87 Anniversary Edition
« Reply #37 on: September 19, 2007, 01:13:01 AM »

I only really know directly about vocals I have recorded, and I shouldn't point to any of those for examples publicly.  Any of those released have been "repaired" with correct measures anyway.

I suspect that many instances of "odd" sibilance in many recordings may have been caused at least in part by this phenomenon.  But again, many of those were dealt with to some degree using de-essers.

I have also seen plenty of photos of Beatles singing without the metal screens, so some P-Pops may have come from that situation.

Also, most pop screens/filters I have ever tried didn't really stop the pops, just reduce them somewhat.

I can say that the "troubles" I was having with comb filtration induced sibilance have gone away, now that I am back to using foam socks.

It saves a lot of time, too.
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Re: U87 Anniversary Edition
« Reply #38 on: September 19, 2007, 10:44:03 AM »

compasspnt wrote on Wed, 19 September 2007 01:13

 now that I am back to using foam socks.






Any particular brand or source?  The Neumann socks are about $40 a pop!(pun intended)
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Re: U87 Anniversary Edition
« Reply #39 on: September 19, 2007, 11:33:14 AM »

Thanks Terry!

Barry
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Re: U87 Anniversary Edition
« Reply #40 on: September 19, 2007, 12:38:01 PM »

RPhilbeck wrote on Wed, 19 September 2007 10:44

compasspnt wrote on Wed, 19 September 2007 01:13

 ...now that I am back to using foam socks.



Any particular brand or source?  The Neumann socks are about $40 a pop!(



I bought a few of the R
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Re: U87 Anniversary Edition
« Reply #41 on: September 19, 2007, 01:02:44 PM »

Here is what Klaus wrote in a previous thread regarding this issue:

  http://recforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/mv/msg/10098/0/0/ 6490/

As I said: Every pop screen has artifacts as side effects.

First, there is the mesh size and pattern, which will filter the frequency band in odd, largely unpredictable ways. The Stedman is not exempt from physics in this regard.

Then there is the issue of standing waves that affect all dual screen filters, unless they have tiltable planes.

In a funny way, the old stinkin' foam sock is at least free from most of this stuff, even if its high frequency attenuation can be quite extreme...

I can think of standing waves on three differet fronts:

1. between the plane of the diaphragm and the screen (especially metal, especially close-in) when parallel.

2. between two parallel layers of mesh material

3. between parallel surfaces of the screen frame, where applicable. (One of the reasons you sometimes see popper stopper frames with lots of irregular holes in them)

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Mike Cleaver

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Re: U87 Anniversary Edition
« Reply #42 on: September 19, 2007, 03:41:06 PM »

As an old-timer, I still don't know why we need to use "popper-stoppers" and foam windscreens (except outdoors when there's wind.)
My U87 lives with a Neumann Foam Windscreen on it WHEN NOT IN USE.
When I'm using it, the windscreen comes off and there's no "popper-stopper."
If you're getting pops and spit, back off the mic or try different positions.
These things ("popper-stoppers" and windscreens) were never used back in the day when most great recordings were made.
We learned microphone technique and breath control, such as how to pull "p's" and how to control 's' and 'th' sounds.
Someone with training can use a mic up close without plosives and spit.
And you can wash your foam windscreens with mild dishwashing liquid and water.
It's also a good test to see if they've begun "shedding."
Just make sure they're bone dry before slipping them back on the mic.
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Re: U87 Anniversary Edition
« Reply #43 on: September 19, 2007, 03:50:49 PM »

Mike Cleaver wrote on Wed, 19 September 2007 12:41

My U87 lives with a Neumann Foam Windscreen on it WHEN NOT IN USE.


Have you ever had a chance to read this: http://recforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/t/415/318/

???
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Re: U87 Anniversary Edition
« Reply #44 on: September 19, 2007, 03:54:48 PM »

I should have mentioned that I do replace the windscreen frequently.
When the mic is in its box, it's in a plastic baggy with a silica gel baggie.
Using a plastic bag when the mic is mounted is problematical because of the shock mount.
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