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bblackwood

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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #150 on: November 05, 2009, 06:53:00 pm »

prolearts wrote on Thu, 05 November 2009 17:14


I don't have time to read this whole incredibly long thread (don't some of y'all have work you should be doing!?)

I don't think 10 pages is a tremendous amount considering I started this thread over three years ago...
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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #151 on: November 05, 2009, 08:54:25 pm »

Hell, I might've been able to hear +.3 at 21K 3 years ago......

Dave

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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #152 on: November 05, 2009, 11:23:23 pm »

the highest amount of phase shift would be furthest away from its
center frequency. so it doesn't seem odd to me that
a filter that is centered at a frequency which few can claim to hear
could produce an audible effect at a lower frequency.

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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #153 on: November 05, 2009, 11:38:58 pm »

mcsnare wrote on Thu, 05 November 2009 14:31

I don't think I can hear +.3 at 21K!

Dave




OK Ok ok ...maybe it was a half dB.

one click on the top band on the NSEQ-2F...

at least the placebo effect lives!

Cheers - JT
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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #154 on: November 06, 2009, 04:31:29 pm »

dcollins wrote on Wed, 04 November 2009 12:39

One of the hardest things to do is to know when to cut it flat.
The difference between really better and just different.

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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #155 on: November 06, 2009, 10:49:54 pm »

Gold wrote on Thu, 05 November 2009 16:08

I was going to to say 'so you were too chicken to cut it flat' but I thought it was mean. Ooops, I said it.


Saludo Pablo !

I've never been called chicken before, maybe turkey or dodo...

Adding the small click at 21kHz (bell) in this case actually did give it a touch of sparkle on top : - )

Cheers - JT

p.s. does retubing count as G.A.S. ?

Nick & I both retubed our Manley VariMu's today... a warm experience.
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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #156 on: November 12, 2009, 09:49:54 pm »

i don't think modding gear is g.a.s. because it means one plans to keep the piece. that
would be an investment; whereas g.a.s. would be like throwing money into a black hole.

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i think the psychological mechanism behind g.a.s. may be: the placebo effect.
science seems to have proven that we are all susceptible to it.

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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #157 on: November 12, 2009, 11:17:58 pm »

Jerry Tubb wrote on Fri, 06 November 2009 22:49


Nick & I both retubed our Manley VariMu's today... a warm experience.


Curious to hear what kind/s of tubes you went with?
Was going to order a set soon. Any suggestions?

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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #158 on: November 15, 2009, 06:31:55 am »

Waltz Mastering wrote on Thu, 12 November 2009 22:17

Jerry Tubb wrote on Fri, 06 November 2009 22:49


Nick & I both retubed our Manley VariMu's today... a warm experience.


Curious to hear what kind/s of tubes you went with?
Was going to order a set soon. Any suggestions?


We just went with a coupla sets of these:

http://www.tubesrule.com/product_p/retube-mslc.htm

Some of them were 1980's NOS, some Russian EH.

After the installation procedure, tweaking, burn-in, and retweak,
a noticeable improvement in sound, a little more clarity, a less little mushy.
Naturally keeping the old tubes for spares.

Cheers - JT

p.s. had the great pleasure of speaking with Jack the Bear this week!
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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #159 on: November 15, 2009, 07:28:58 pm »

cerberus wrote on Sat, 04 November 2006 22:24



if you don't wish to respect complexity, that is ok as an opinion, but know that i work hard, so the continuous re-enforcement here of a k.i.s.s. mentality kind of hurts; and i think it's wrong:  the journey of electrons inside a sontec could not be simple, or every yahoo would have that sound in their pocket by now.




There is a difference between working hard and surrendering to complexity. I spent a long, extremely hardworking, damn near grueling session with Jerry Tubb this past Thursday. We worked our asses off getting 16/44.1 and 24/96 and mp3's together for a 10 song album of folk music burdened by a tight dealine. The work was in trying this or that in the face of whatever little problem faced us, while maintaining cheerful focus for hours, and hours, assessing the effect of tiny changes to settings.

The chain, however, was not elaborate and it could deliver anything we could reasonably expect to accomplish to help the final result. More would not have been better, in this case.

When it was all in, it had a touch of this, a tiny bit of that, etc. Those little changes begat a large and positive result overall.

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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #160 on: November 16, 2009, 09:25:13 am »

Jerry Tubb wrote on Sun, 15 November 2009 06:31

Waltz Mastering wrote on Thu, 12 November 2009 22:17

Jerry Tubb wrote on Fri, 06 November 2009 22:49


Nick & I both retubed our Manley VariMu's today... a warm experience.


Curious to hear what kind/s of tubes you went with?
Was going to order a set soon. Any suggestions?


We just went with a coupla sets of these:

http://www.tubesrule.com/product_p/retube-mslc.htm

Some of them were 1980's NOS, some Russian EH.

After the installation procedure, tweaking, burn-in, and retweak,
a noticeable improvement in sound, a little more clarity, a less little mushy.
Naturally keeping the old tubes for spares.

Cheers - JT



Thanks,  That looks like the best bet.

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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #161 on: November 16, 2009, 11:17:24 am »

Hank Alrich wrote on Sun, 15 November 2009 18:28

There is a difference between working hard and surrendering to complexity. I spent a long, extremely hardworking, damn near grueling session with Jerry Tubb this past Thursday. We worked our asses off getting 16/44.1 and 24/96 and mp3's together for a 10 song album of folk music burdened by a tight dealine. The work was in trying this or that in the face of whatever little problem faced us, while maintaining cheerful focus for hours, and hours, assessing the effect of tiny changes to settings.

The chain, however, was not elaborate and it could deliver anything we could reasonably expect to accomplish to help the final result. More would not have been better, in this case.

When it was all in, it had a touch of this, a tiny bit of that, etc. Those little changes begat a large and positive result overall.


Yes it was a long euphoric day... whew!

Don't remember another where I generated as many formats.

24/96 all the way down to 192k mp3.

A simple effective quality chain, no plug-ins.

Having such a talented group of artists, with a live in-studio performance as a reference... wow!

A day like this... affirm it's the best job in the world.

All the Best - JT
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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #162 on: November 18, 2009, 12:07:51 am »

Jerry,

That was revelatory, playing live acoustic music in your mastering suite. Man, does that show off the excellent acoustical properties of the room. Shaidri immediately noticed how beautifully balanced the sound was.

That was her first experience with mastering, and she came away fascinated by the whole process. I think that's a good sign. <g>

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Re: Is G.A.S. destroying modern records?
« Reply #163 on: March 09, 2011, 12:55:03 pm »

I know this is an old topic but recently I have noticed that G.A.S. seems to be less prevalent that in days past. I think one difference is the economy and the other is that more and more people are doing ITB processing. Any others here have thoughts??? about where this is now compared to 2006 when the topic started.
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