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Sahib

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Personal question to Dan Lavry on Copyright and Trademark Issue
« on: September 08, 2006, 09:41:35 am »


Dear Dan,

I was wondering if I could have your views on an issue as a product designer and a company owner.

I have a small company that provides services in proffessional audio. I would like to make a small modification to one of your older designs, design a new pcb for it, call it CLavry Blue and offer it to general public in my company web site as a free DIY project. And, include "Copyright Cemal Ozturk" underneath.

Would you consider this ethically and legally acceptable?

Kindest regards,

Cemal
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Re: Personal question to Dan Lavry on Copyright and Trademark Issue
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2006, 08:17:29 pm »

Hello Cemal,

Lavry Engineering does not authorize non-employees to modify or repair its products.  Any such actions are considered tampering, and are in violation of product warranty.

While owners of our products are free to void their warranty, we strongly recommend that they do not.  Units which have been tampered with which are returned to the factory for repairs or upgrades will be returned to their original configurations to ensure proper function, and the owner of said units will be billed for non-warranty repairs and part replacements.

I don't mean to sound overly harsh or unfriendly. You seem to be a nice person.  However, what you are proposing is unacceptable from a legal standing and goes against the ethical intent of those laws to protect intellectual property.  

The name "LavryBlue" is a trademark, and use of that name on products or services would be a violation of that trademark.

Also, you cannot copyright a modification to one of Dan's products.  Publishing any representation of his schematics as a part of your modification proceedure is considered a violation of copyright.

Best regards, and good luck in your other endeavors,

Marc Lavry

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Re: Personal question to Dan Lavry on Copyright and Trademark Issue
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2006, 06:44:31 am »

Hello Marc,

Many many thanks for your reply.  

Kindest regards,

Cemal


I have edited this post as the issue has now been resolved.
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Re: Personal question to Dan Lavry on Copyright and Trademark Issue
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2006, 05:00:56 pm »

Well you were a little obnoxious over there Cemal.  If you lay out your arguments without tainting them with what they were calling "attacks", you might get further.

I have often wondered why no one seems to care about the 1176 clones, isn't that still a current name used by UA?  And isn't Urei stuff now the property of UA?  I don't know much about the Urei's history...

Chris
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Re: Personal question to Dan Lavry on Copyright and Trademark Issue
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2006, 05:41:56 pm »

The UREi trademark is owned by JBL (effectively Harman - if you look at the last UREi-branded gear made in the early '90s, it has "manufactured by Harman Audio" printed on stickers on the back).

The UREi brand lives on as "UREi by Soundcraft", manufactured in China...

If you think the current incarnation of "UREi", whereby Mr Putnam's marque is jointly branded by a British firm  who outsource the manufacturing to China, to be a healthy arrangement, let me know...

Last time I visited Abbey Road and Strongroom, the racks were teaming with Chinese-made equipment y'know...honest...

(yeah, Soundcraft had loads of connections to the 1176... In fact, Duke Ellington was mixed by Putnam on a Soundcraft console)

BTW, Cemal: irrespective of your point regarding ethics pertaining to the Gyraf / UREi / SSL debacle, I fail to see how it concerns the 'web's only dedicated non-subjective audio forum. IMHO, it's highly selfish of someone to drag the Lavry organisation into a petty BB squabble between them and the Prodigy forum.

If I were Mr Lavry (that'd be great, I'd have converters at cost price : - ) I would delete this thread without a second's hesitation - either that or move it to the off-topic forum.

Justin

edited because I had a couple of Margeritas with my dinner...
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Re: Personal question to Dan Lavry on Copyright and Trademark Issue
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2006, 07:45:35 pm »

Chris,

You are mistaking me with Mahcem. He writes with mkoz moniker and mine is mcoz. And if you read my posts you will not find one single word of what you describe. I invite you to go back and re-read them. However I agree with you on Mahcem's posts and I clearly stated that I would not choose that style. Even though he is my brother.


Justin,

With all due respect but I did not ask the question to you or anybody else. Just read the topic. It is a personal question to Dan Lavry. I had and have no intention of dragging anything over here. I asked for a professional opinion and I received it. For which  I am deeply grateful to Dan and Marc Lavry.  

This issue has been resolved and there will be no further posts from me here. If the moderator feels appropriate to delete the post then I have no objection.

Kindest regards,

Cemal


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Re: Personal question to Dan Lavry on Copyright and Trademark Issue
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2006, 02:38:23 am »

From what I understand you can't register and trademark a name consisting of numbers only. This was the reason for Intel to move from the x86 names to calling it Pentium, since everybody else were also doing CPU's called 486 etc.
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