R/E/P Community

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  

Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 ... 40   Go Down

Author Topic: Sontecs...  (Read 150295 times)

dcollins

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2815
Re: Where are those Sontecs?
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2006, 03:44:59 am »

Viitalahde wrote on Sun, 29 January 2006 23:38

Since Brad has a real one and I have something that was inspired by  the MEP-250A (this one uses Forssell JFET amps):



Which has nothing in common with a HS-1000

Could be better, could be worse.......

DC

Viitalahde

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1069
Re: Where are those Sontecs?
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2006, 04:00:55 am »

dcollins wrote on Mon, 30 January 2006 08:44

Which has nothing in common with a HS-1000


I know, and that's why I refuse to call this a Sontec EQ (well, at The Lab I do since people know what I'm referring to), but I am aware of a ME or two who list their clones as Sontecs.. It's a Sontec inspired EQ with Forssell amps.

Originally I was interested in the topology simply because it was different from any other parametric eq I had seen so far. This was not the three-op-amp state variable filters in series but a parallel thing with T-filters. Very nice. Since they had a good reputation, I thought to give it a shot.

I have not heard a real Sontec and that's why I suggested the sound comparison.
Logged
Jaakko Viitalähde
Virtalähde Mastering, Kuhmoinen/Finland
http://www.virtalahde.com
   http://www.facebook.com/pages/Helsinki-Finland/Virtalahde-Ma stering/278311633180

nmw

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 102
Re: Where are those Sontecs?
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2006, 06:25:56 am »

ive a real one here i picked up fairly locally, by pure chance and in seemingly bad shape but that turned out to only need some TLC. was a great day and my GML went to someone new to fund it.

i just got some PCBs to start looking at building a DIY version of the 250a though not sure when im going to have time to embark on it. hobby time is limited at the moment.

Logged

Gold

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1453
Re: Where are those Sontecs?
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2006, 10:45:27 am »

David Glasser wrote on Mon, 30 January 2006 00:06

 I wish Maselec would offer a similar unit.


Me too. But then he would have to do that for the compressor and the console. I spoke to him about it and he said no one would pay for a four channel disk cutting system. Just use a delay. He happens to be right in my case. I use four outputs from a DAW not a delay.

I'm just waiting until I can put together an A/B system that's worth doing at the right price. I have waited a long time already. I am resigned to using two channel processing with preview offsets though.
Logged
Paul Gold
www.saltmastering.com

On the silk road, looking for uranium.

EP

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 151
Re: Where are those Sontecs?
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2006, 01:34:22 pm »

dcollins wrote on Mon, 30 January 2006 08:44

Viitalahde wrote on Sun, 29 January 2006 23:38

Since Brad has a real one and I have something that was inspired by  the MEP-250A (this one uses Forssell JFET amps):



Which has nothing in common with a HS-1000

Could be better, could be worse.......

DC



Very true.
Since there are a ton of busted real Sontecs that need different opamps to function, it might be interesting to hear the differences in these two units, and the general character of the clone w/ forssell JFET's.

I am going to build up a six channel eq with those same boards someday soon, so for me it is simply an interest in what Jaakko's sounds like anyways.
Logged

Mark Wilder

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 259
Re: Where are those Sontecs?
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2006, 01:57:52 pm »

I'm more than happy to help out with the listening test.  I have a Sontec MES462C9 (6 band) and a Maselec MEA 2.  I know they're not the same (6 band vs. 4 band) but you might find it interesting.  Let me know what you want and I'll try to get to it by the end of the week.
Logged
Mark Wilder

Viitalahde

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1069
Re: Where are those Sontecs?
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2006, 03:35:01 pm »

Mark Wilder wrote on Mon, 30 January 2006 18:57

I'm more than happy to help out with the listening test.


Very cool!

Let's see.. I could dig up something that could be used as the source file for this. I'll do the EQ'ing, mark down what I did and put the stuff up on my site?

EDIT: Ok, you were talking about the Sontec MES vs. the Maselec? In that case, you do the thing and I'll imitate.  Cool
Logged
Jaakko Viitalähde
Virtalähde Mastering, Kuhmoinen/Finland
http://www.virtalahde.com
   http://www.facebook.com/pages/Helsinki-Finland/Virtalahde-Ma stering/278311633180

bblackwood

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 7036
Re: Where are those Sontecs?
« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2006, 03:50:49 pm »

Viitalahde wrote on Mon, 30 January 2006 14:35

Mark Wilder wrote on Mon, 30 January 2006 18:57

I'm more than happy to help out with the listening test.


Very cool!

Let's see.. I could dig up something that could be used as the source file for this. I'll do the EQ'ing, mark down what I did and put the stuff up on my site?

I'll do that with mine, a standard 432c9...
Logged
Brad Blackwood
euphonic masters

Phil Demetro

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 378
Re: Where are those Sontecs?
« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2006, 05:01:34 pm »

If anyone is interested I'll help out with my MES-432-C-12 (it came from Sony, incidently)

and if you really want to bust things wide open - mine has the  Black Gate capacitors (but just a standard power cable - sorry!)

Phil Demetro
Logged
____________________________________________________
Phil Demetro
Mastering at The Lacquer Channel, Toronto
http://www.lacquerchannel.com/phil-demetro/
____________________________________________________

TotalSonic

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3728
Re: Where are those Sontecs?
« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2006, 05:08:38 pm »

bblackwood wrote on Mon, 30 January 2006 20:50

Viitalahde wrote on Mon, 30 January 2006 14:35

Mark Wilder wrote on Mon, 30 January 2006 18:57

I'm more than happy to help out with the listening test.


Very cool!

Let's see.. I could dig up something that could be used as the source file for this. I'll do the EQ'ing, mark down what I did and put the stuff up on my site?

I'll do that with mine, a standard 432c9...


If you guys need a source file I could upload to my server a track (or part of a track) I've recently mixed for my string quartet - it's at 24bit/88.2kHz. - but could downsample prior to uploading if you needed me to for sake of file size considerations.

I'd also be glad to throw my Medici in the mix as a way of throwing in a comparison of apples to pears admidst these fuji vs. braeburn tests.  Seems the variable introduced not only would be the eq's but also what converters people use - but I guess we could just list what was part of this and evaluate the chain and not just the eq itself.

I suggest whatever source file is used is having it start with a brief 1k tone to make sure that things are level matched in people's tests (i.e. capture back at "unity").

Best regards,
Steve Berson

bblackwood

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 7036
Re: Where are those Sontecs?
« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2006, 06:39:32 pm »

To do this accurately, you'd really have to simply run the audio through at unity and level match them with a tone at the head, as insuring the curves match perfectly is no easy task. Especially considering the 250 and 430 series EQs are electrically similar, but not identical and the 250 uses pots while the 430 uses switches...
Logged
Brad Blackwood
euphonic masters

Viitalahde

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1069
Re: Where are those Sontecs?
« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2006, 02:45:46 am »

bblackwood wrote on Mon, 30 January 2006 23:39

Especially considering the 250 and 430 series EQs are electrically similar, but not identical and the 250 uses pots while the 430 uses switches...


And I have switches in mine, with my "own" scale. 11 Q values for example.

This should be interesting..
Logged
Jaakko Viitalähde
Virtalähde Mastering, Kuhmoinen/Finland
http://www.virtalahde.com
   http://www.facebook.com/pages/Helsinki-Finland/Virtalahde-Ma stering/278311633180

joeaudio

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 112
Re: Where are those Sontecs?
« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2006, 08:13:14 am »

I cut my teeth on a four channel Sontec EQ at a
new Jersey mastering house
Maybe it just all the years of experience but
but I find I can get the sound I'm looking for on the Maselec in about half the time.
It's cheap (comparitively) you can buy one and Lief is always
willing to talk to engineers about his gear.
Sontec Shmontec if a good enginneer can't make a track sound good
through an MEA-2 it's time to go to welding school.

Joe Yannece
Classic Sound Mastering
Logged

bblackwood

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 7036
Re: Where are those Sontecs?
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2006, 08:25:12 am »

Viitalahde wrote on Tue, 31 January 2006 01:45

bblackwood wrote on Mon, 30 January 2006 23:39

Especially considering the 250 and 430 series EQs are electrically similar, but not identical and the 250 uses pots while the 430 uses switches...


And I have switches in mine, with my "own" scale. 11 Q values for example.

But there's no guarantee the curves will line up. We can do the math and see if any of the curves (should) line up...

joeaudio wrote:

Sontec Shmontec if a good enginneer can't make a track sound good through an MEA-2 it's time to go to welding school.

Where did anyone speak ill of the Maselec?

People do have preferences, you know...
Logged
Brad Blackwood
euphonic masters

joeaudio

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 112
Re: Where are those Sontecs?
« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2006, 10:21:20 am »

I didn't mean for my statement to come off that way.
I guess I find the reverance for these old EQ's
(no parts, next to impossible to repair etc.) a little
annoying when there are so many alternatives.
If you want to cut lacquers to make a living you
have to buy a 30-40 year old machine that will be a bear
to maintain and there are no alternatives. They IMO are to
be revered.

Joe Classic Sound
Logged
Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 ... 40   Go Up